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		<title>By: Sandman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NZErin: &lt;i&gt;&quot;...she began a screenplay for the novel several years before it became &quot;The Piano,&quot; but didn&#039;t like the way the main character responded to her situation â€“ in other words she was quite 19thC about it all and, you know, didn&#039;t play minimalist music on the beach and exchange sex for her piano, etc.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Imagine! A character being the product of her times! Tsk. Damned inconvenient, that.

@LaBD: I&#039;ve never been able to work out the chicken-and-egg dimension of what I understand of attitude to TB in the 19th century. Would Violetta and Mimi (oh, for example) have been considered highly sexed *because* they came down with TB, or did TB cause them to become more readily aroused? Was TB taken as a signifier of sexual freedom, a consequence of it, or its cause? Nerdy minds want to know. (Well, okay, maybe just the one does.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NZErin: <i>&#034;&#8230;she began a screenplay for the novel several years before it became &#034;The Piano,&#034; but didn&#039;t like the way the main character responded to her situation â€“ in other words she was quite 19thC about it all and, you know, didn&#039;t play minimalist music on the beach and exchange sex for her piano, etc.&#034;</i></p>
<p>Imagine! A character being the product of her times! Tsk. Damned inconvenient, that.</p>
<p>@LaBD: I&#039;ve never been able to work out the chicken-and-egg dimension of what I understand of attitude to TB in the 19th century. Would Violetta and Mimi (oh, for example) have been considered highly sexed *because* they came down with TB, or did TB cause them to become more readily aroused? Was TB taken as a signifier of sexual freedom, a consequence of it, or its cause? Nerdy minds want to know. (Well, okay, maybe just the one does.)</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I loved about this film was that it was really about literature in a way the literary biopics rarely are. For me it captured the mood and feeling of Keats&#039; poetry visually, in the dialogue, the music, the whole shebang. I recently watched the BBC miniseries on Byron. Byron wrote a hell of a lot of stuff, but if this movie was to be believed I&#039;m not quite sure how he managed it. You never saw the guy put a pen to paper. Bright Star seemed much more about the real, hard work of writing. 

Cornish was remarkable and to my mind deserved an Academy Award nomination. She gave dignity to what might otherwise have been a silly girl, a her grief was to me quite moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I loved about this film was that it was really about literature in a way the literary biopics rarely are. For me it captured the mood and feeling of Keats&#039; poetry visually, in the dialogue, the music, the whole shebang. I recently watched the BBC miniseries on Byron. Byron wrote a hell of a lot of stuff, but if this movie was to be believed I&#039;m not quite sure how he managed it. You never saw the guy put a pen to paper. Bright Star seemed much more about the real, hard work of writing. </p>
<p>Cornish was remarkable and to my mind deserved an Academy Award nomination. She gave dignity to what might otherwise have been a silly girl, a her grief was to me quite moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La BellaDonna: That (about the clothing) is really interesting, and of course it makes perfect sense. I don&#039;t sew if I can avoid it, generally, but I once re-sized a t-shirt using a well-fitting t-shirt as a pattern and it worked really nicely. If I had to make most (or, god forbid, all) of my own clothing, I could definitely see doing something like that pretty often. It might not lead to the most interesting wardrobe ever, but it&#039;d make the process faster and easier, and hopefully end with well-fitting results.

So, yeah, kudos indeed to the costume designer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La BellaDonna: That (about the clothing) is really interesting, and of course it makes perfect sense. I don&#039;t sew if I can avoid it, generally, but I once re-sized a t-shirt using a well-fitting t-shirt as a pattern and it worked really nicely. If I had to make most (or, god forbid, all) of my own clothing, I could definitely see doing something like that pretty often. It might not lead to the most interesting wardrobe ever, but it&#039;d make the process faster and easier, and hopefully end with well-fitting results.</p>
<p>So, yeah, kudos indeed to the costume designer.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of nothing really, since I haven&#039;t seen the movie, but I visited Keats&#039;s house last year and although (and possibly because) it was a little rough around the edges, I have never been so affected by a &#039;house museum&#039; . It felt weirdly as if he had just died and touching the stair railing really gave me the shivers (in a good way). I guess his story is so affecting and being surrounded by some of his worldly possessions and writings really made it feel immediate. I highly recommend for any fans. Its near Primrose Hill in London if I remember correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of nothing really, since I haven&#039;t seen the movie, but I visited Keats&#039;s house last year and although (and possibly because) it was a little rough around the edges, I have never been so affected by a &#039;house museum&#039; . It felt weirdly as if he had just died and touching the stair railing really gave me the shivers (in a good way). I guess his story is so affecting and being surrounded by some of his worldly possessions and writings really made it feel immediate. I highly recommend for any fans. Its near Primrose Hill in London if I remember correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristina: It was generally thought, in the 19th century, that people with tuberculosis were more highly sexed than those who didn&#039;t have it. More power to them, if they could carry on whilst having respiratory difficulties (except, of course, for the fact that TB is contagious ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristina: It was generally thought, in the 19th century, that people with tuberculosis were more highly sexed than those who didn&#039;t have it. More power to them, if they could carry on whilst having respiratory difficulties (except, of course, for the fact that TB is contagious &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah D. Bunting: I didn&#039;t know that! Keats must have been a rather spindly dude, or at least frail, what with the tuberculosis and all, but damn if he didn&#039;t take advantage of what little time he had on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah D. Bunting: I didn&#039;t know that! Keats must have been a rather spindly dude, or at least frail, what with the tuberculosis and all, but damn if he didn&#039;t take advantage of what little time he had on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah D. Bunting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah D. Bunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NZErin: The film also edits out Keats&#039;s concurrent snuggling with Isabella what&#039;s-her-face, which is convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NZErin: The film also edits out Keats&#039;s concurrent snuggling with Isabella what&#039;s-her-face, which is convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Sars, about what An Education was striving for being more about the attraction of a different life than about love- and I think I might have loved it if I had been 18 when I saw it instead of 30! It made me sad that it didn&#039;t resonate with me the way I wanted it to, and honestly that might be more my own fault than the movie&#039;s. And for this movie it wasn&#039;t that I cared so much about the characters, it was just a really nice portrayal of the time period and situation- well-executed, in my mind.

And yes, Attica, I do believe Ben Whishaw is a tiny person. My carpool buddies and I came up with a nickname for him (... is that weird?) to match his British smallness and lightness and also because we figured as Americans we&#039;d never be able to give his last name justice. It went from Ben Wish, to Ben Wh--, and finally settled on Ben *blowing noise*. Like you&#039;re blowing out a candle. It greatly amused us but I can&#039;t say why; many things are amusing at 6:30 in the morning that wouldn&#039;t normally be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re right, Sars, about what An Education was striving for being more about the attraction of a different life than about love- and I think I might have loved it if I had been 18 when I saw it instead of 30! It made me sad that it didn&#039;t resonate with me the way I wanted it to, and honestly that might be more my own fault than the movie&#039;s. And for this movie it wasn&#039;t that I cared so much about the characters, it was just a really nice portrayal of the time period and situation- well-executed, in my mind.</p>
<p>And yes, Attica, I do believe Ben Whishaw is a tiny person. My carpool buddies and I came up with a nickname for him (&#8230; is that weird?) to match his British smallness and lightness and also because we figured as Americans we&#039;d never be able to give his last name justice. It went from Ben Wish, to Ben Wh&#8211;, and finally settled on Ben *blowing noise*. Like you&#039;re blowing out a candle. It greatly amused us but I can&#039;t say why; many things are amusing at 6:30 in the morning that wouldn&#039;t normally be.</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Was it just me, or did Fanny make herself, like, 3 of the same exact dress in different colors? Might&#039;ve just been me.)&lt;/i&gt;

@Suzanne M: I haven&#039;t seen the movie yet, but if that&#039;s what you thought you saw, I can almost &lt;b&gt;guarantee&lt;/b&gt; that that is, indeed what you saw - and it&#039;s a tribute to the costume designer/person who made that decision, because it is ABSOLUTELY in keeping with the kind of homedressmaking that women did, for centuries. 

Even once sewing manuals started being written (by various incarnations of A Lady) for the benefit and education of servants, parsons&#039; wives, the lower (and middle) classes, the instructions involve &quot;take an old bodice and pick it to pieces&quot;/&quot;prick through the seams of an old bodice onto a piece of paper&quot;. Paper patterns as we know them weren&#039;t available at the period in which the movie was set, so a woman who made her own dresses would be &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; likely to make multiples of a dress she owned that already worked for her (in terms of cut, fit, etc.). And maybe even if it didn&#039;t - just because you might have to do your own* sewing didn&#039;t necessarily mean that you were good at it, or that you liked it.

So extra bonus points for that bit of realism.

*Yes, dressmakers were omnipresent, but their wages could cost as much as half again what the material cost. That doesn&#039;t mean they were well-paid, either; many seamstresses had to supplement their earnings with prostitution, or starve. There were a LOT of women competing for those seamstress jobs, and it served to depress the market. They were competing with comfortable middle-class women, as well, since it was considered Morally Improving for women to save money by doing the sewing themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(Was it just me, or did Fanny make herself, like, 3 of the same exact dress in different colors? Might&#039;ve just been me.)</i></p>
<p>@Suzanne M: I haven&#039;t seen the movie yet, but if that&#039;s what you thought you saw, I can almost <b>guarantee</b> that that is, indeed what you saw &#8211; and it&#039;s a tribute to the costume designer/person who made that decision, because it is ABSOLUTELY in keeping with the kind of homedressmaking that women did, for centuries. </p>
<p>Even once sewing manuals started being written (by various incarnations of A Lady) for the benefit and education of servants, parsons&#039; wives, the lower (and middle) classes, the instructions involve &#034;take an old bodice and pick it to pieces&#034;/&#034;prick through the seams of an old bodice onto a piece of paper&#034;. Paper patterns as we know them weren&#039;t available at the period in which the movie was set, so a woman who made her own dresses would be <b>very</b> likely to make multiples of a dress she owned that already worked for her (in terms of cut, fit, etc.). And maybe even if it didn&#039;t &#8211; just because you might have to do your own* sewing didn&#039;t necessarily mean that you were good at it, or that you liked it.</p>
<p>So extra bonus points for that bit of realism.</p>
<p>*Yes, dressmakers were omnipresent, but their wages could cost as much as half again what the material cost. That doesn&#039;t mean they were well-paid, either; many seamstresses had to supplement their earnings with prostitution, or starve. There were a LOT of women competing for those seamstress jobs, and it served to depress the market. They were competing with comfortable middle-class women, as well, since it was considered Morally Improving for women to save money by doing the sewing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: NZErin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NZErin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sandman

Bravo to your Piano criticisms. Campion&#039;s neo-romantic anachronisms and excesses annoy me something chronic! However, if you&#039;re interested in the text that calls Campion&#039;s Best Original Screenplay Oscar into question, try to get hold of &quot;The Story of a New Zealand River&quot; by Jane Mander (1920). 

Campion has been quite open about how she began a screenplay for the novel several years before it became &quot;The Piano,&quot; but didn&#039;t like the way the main character responded to her situation - in other words she was quite 19thC about it all and, you know, didn&#039;t play minimalist music on the beach and exchange sex for her piano, etc. 

The novel isn&#039;t brilliant, but it really captures the time and practical considerations the character has to make within her society. 

I haven&#039;t seen Bright Star yet, but the comments above have confirmed my suspicions. Also, I once spoke to an Australian academic who was advising Campion on Keats during the initial writing of the screenplay and she was fairly scathing of Campion&#039;s take on Fanny and John. In particular her complete refusal to consider that John might have preferred to go to Italy with the boys. But anyway, that was just what someone said at a conference.</description>
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<p>Bravo to your Piano criticisms. Campion&#039;s neo-romantic anachronisms and excesses annoy me something chronic! However, if you&#039;re interested in the text that calls Campion&#039;s Best Original Screenplay Oscar into question, try to get hold of &#034;The Story of a New Zealand River&#034; by Jane Mander (1920). </p>
<p>Campion has been quite open about how she began a screenplay for the novel several years before it became &#034;The Piano,&#034; but didn&#039;t like the way the main character responded to her situation &#8211; in other words she was quite 19thC about it all and, you know, didn&#039;t play minimalist music on the beach and exchange sex for her piano, etc. </p>
<p>The novel isn&#039;t brilliant, but it really captures the time and practical considerations the character has to make within her society. </p>
<p>I haven&#039;t seen Bright Star yet, but the comments above have confirmed my suspicions. Also, I once spoke to an Australian academic who was advising Campion on Keats during the initial writing of the screenplay and she was fairly scathing of Campion&#039;s take on Fanny and John. In particular her complete refusal to consider that John might have preferred to go to Italy with the boys. But anyway, that was just what someone said at a conference.</p>
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