Comments on: The Dark Knight http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/ better red than dead Wed, 23 May 2012 21:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Jaybird http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-31010 Jaybird Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:56:42 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-31010 I...do not remember EVER having posted anything like the above. Seriously. How did that get there? None of it has ever resided in my cranium, most of which is reserved for OTH and Twin Peaks trivia. I wouldn't know Paul Dini if I ran him over with an ice-cream truck. I…do not remember EVER having posted anything like the above. Seriously. How did that get there? None of it has ever resided in my cranium, most of which is reserved for OTH and Twin Peaks trivia. I wouldn't know Paul Dini if I ran him over with an ice-cream truck.

]]> By: Jaybird http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21467 Jaybird Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:01:37 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21467 @ Becca Year One, The Long Hallloween, and Dark Victory are how I got into Batman comics. They give a good overview of the Batman origin, the mob story, and the intro of Robin. For a really good Joker story: The Killing Joke and The Man who Laughs. Both contain fantastic, but brutal depictions of the Joker. For my money, though, Paul Dini writes the best Batman stories. He was heavily involved in writing Batman: The Animated Series and also writes Detective Comics which is more about Batman as a detective (obviously) than a superhero. Batman: Death and the City is a good recent one. Hope you enjoy. @ Becca

Year One, The Long Hallloween, and Dark Victory are how I got into Batman comics. They give a good overview of the Batman origin, the mob story, and the intro of Robin. For a really good Joker story: The Killing Joke and The Man who Laughs. Both contain fantastic, but brutal depictions of the Joker. For my money, though, Paul Dini writes the best Batman stories. He was heavily involved in writing Batman: The Animated Series and also writes Detective Comics which is more about Batman as a detective (obviously) than a superhero. Batman: Death and the City is a good recent one. Hope you enjoy.

]]> By: Anthony R. http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21444 Anthony R. Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:45:53 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21444 "I think Kristen Bell could make Catwoman a very interesting character." Thanks Krissa. Yes it most certainly would be a good choice. If they wrote the Catwoman as a flirty-snarky type, she could be awesome. I think her role as Elle (?) in Heroes would be the type of Catwoman she could pull off well. But snarkier. "I think Kristen Bell could make Catwoman a very interesting character."
Thanks Krissa. Yes it most certainly would be a good choice. If they wrote the Catwoman as a flirty-snarky type, she could be awesome. I think her role as Elle (?) in Heroes would be the type of Catwoman she could pull off well. But snarkier.

]]> By: meltina http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21412 meltina Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:40:13 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21412 Well, after 1986 and a series wide (as in every series in the DC universe) reset, your best bets are "Batman: Year One" by Miller, followed by "The Long Halloween", and Sale & Loeb's followup "Dark Victory" (a retelling of the Robin origin, as well as a further exploration of of the themes that begun with TLH). And then you have to read "The Dark Knight Returns", which is practically what started the coming down its current hyperrealism path that Nolan is trying to recreate, but chronologically is about an old and tired Batman. And if you want to expand it to other heroes in the DC pantheon continuity "Kingdom Come" is a great collection to have. Well, after 1986 and a series wide (as in every series in the DC universe) reset, your best bets are "Batman: Year One" by Miller, followed by "The Long Halloween", and Sale & Loeb's followup "Dark Victory" (a retelling of the Robin origin, as well as a further exploration of of the themes that begun with TLH). And then you have to read "The Dark Knight Returns", which is practically what started the coming down its current hyperrealism path that Nolan is trying to recreate, but chronologically is about an old and tired Batman. And if you want to expand it to other heroes in the DC pantheon continuity "Kingdom Come" is a great collection to have.

]]> By: Becca http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21408 Becca Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:14:04 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21408 A couple of people have mentioned 'Batman' canon; would anyone have any recommendations on where to start for someone who hasn't read any of the comics but would like to? I'm ready to go get "The Long Halloween" since you guys mentioned it, but are there other good or logical starting points? A couple of people have mentioned 'Batman' canon; would anyone have any recommendations on where to start for someone who hasn't read any of the comics but would like to? I'm ready to go get "The Long Halloween" since you guys mentioned it, but are there other good or logical starting points?

]]> By: Jade http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21402 Jade Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:53:25 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21402 Duly noted... and agreed incidentally. But then again pretty much everything Jim Carrey does annoys the *&%*$ out of me. Duly noted… and agreed incidentally. But then again pretty much everything Jim Carrey does annoys the *&%*$ out of me.

]]> By: Sarah D. Bunting http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21362 Sarah D. Bunting Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:55:54 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21362 Jim Carrey's Riddler was so fucking annoying that that's a can of worms better left closed, in my opinion. Jim Carrey's Riddler was so fucking annoying that that's a can of worms better left closed, in my opinion.

]]> By: Jade http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21352 Jade Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:06:28 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21352 @ F McGee I hadn't heard the one about Angelina as Catwoman, I had heard a rumor about Johnny Depp as the Riddler, but I wouldn't put too much stock in anything until the contracts are signed. I saw the movie in Imax last night (and a tip for anyone planning to do that; hang onto the armrests during the Hong Kong Skyscraper scene if you don't want to get seasick) and I have to say it's the most i've enjoyed Batman since the original Keaton movies... everything after that was wayy too cartoony and don't even get me started on Val Kilmer. I found a lot of the same problems that other people have mentioned, Gyllenhall doing her best with a very one dimensional character, Dent's turn to evil being somewhat incomprehensible and too many conflicting plotlines going in every direction. One thing I did want to reference was that I was having a little bit of a 'Bourne Supremacy' problem during the fight scenes, namely that the way it was shot often made it incredibly difficult to figure out what was going on particularly in the nightclub scene with Batman trying to find the moles in Gordon's team... Beyond that Heath's performance was the highlight of the film for me and i'll be interested to see if the Oscar buzz pans out (although somehow I don't see that happening) @ F McGee

I hadn't heard the one about Angelina as Catwoman, I had heard a rumor about Johnny Depp as the Riddler, but I wouldn't put too much stock in anything until the contracts are signed.

I saw the movie in Imax last night (and a tip for anyone planning to do that; hang onto the armrests during the Hong Kong Skyscraper scene if you don't want to get seasick) and I have to say it's the most i've enjoyed Batman since the original Keaton movies… everything after that was wayy too cartoony and don't even get me started on Val Kilmer.

I found a lot of the same problems that other people have mentioned, Gyllenhall doing her best with a very one dimensional character, Dent's turn to evil being somewhat incomprehensible and too many conflicting plotlines going in every direction.

One thing I did want to reference was that I was having a little bit of a 'Bourne Supremacy' problem during the fight scenes, namely that the way it was shot often made it incredibly difficult to figure out what was going on particularly in the nightclub scene with Batman trying to find the moles in Gordon's team…

Beyond that Heath's performance was the highlight of the film for me and i'll be interested to see if the Oscar buzz pans out (although somehow I don't see that happening)

]]> By: meltina http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21351 meltina Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:08:41 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21351 I read that one of the scriptwriters involved with the franchise said "No penguin, and no catwoman, as long as I'm writing it". Nolan has also said that if he has his way he would rather do new villains rather than ones that have already been done to death (like Catwoman, who even got her own movie). Then again, while Bale & Co. have been hired for the full 3 movies, allegedly Nolan only signed up to do 2, so it's still in the realm of possibility. I'd rather see Riddler done right, or even see an obscure but really well done villain like Calendar Man. I read that one of the scriptwriters involved with the franchise said "No penguin, and no catwoman, as long as I'm writing it". Nolan has also said that if he has his way he would rather do new villains rather than ones that have already been done to death (like Catwoman, who even got her own movie). Then again, while Bale & Co. have been hired for the full 3 movies, allegedly Nolan only signed up to do 2, so it's still in the realm of possibility.

I'd rather see Riddler done right, or even see an obscure but really well done villain like Calendar Man.

]]> By: Keight http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/the-dark-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-21233 Keight Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:49:37 +0000 http://tomatonation.com/?p=2474#comment-21233 "I've heard rumors swilling around about talks with Angelina Jolie about playing Catwoman." GOD. FORBID. "I've heard rumors swilling around about talks with Angelina Jolie about playing Catwoman."

GOD. FORBID.

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