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The Vine: August 13, 2002

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Dear Sars,

I agree with your take on MP’s problem. I would add that sometimes people inexperienced with drug and alcohol use can overestimate the seriousness of it when they see it. Mary’s drug and alcohol use would be considered clinically “diagnosable” or problematic only if it was causing her harm or discomfort, i.e. causing a drop in academic or work performance, occupying most of her time in acquisition and use, or in an addictive sense causing withdrawal symptoms. Is she missing school, are her grades dropping, is she stealing (or worse) to support her habits? Based on the examples given, it sounded a lot like Mary was using primarily on weekends, not during the school day or on weeknights, and not every day, in spite of MP’s assertion that it seemed like she never did anything else. It’s possible that there’s some distortion involved because right now, that’s all that Mary’s interested in talking about.

It could be very problematic for Mary if her parents are told that she has a problem when it doesn’t actually exist. At worst some parents overreact and send their kids to rehab, and I’ve seen a few in that situation who went from bad to worse. At best, it could cause Mary a lot of grief. Or any permutation you can think of in between. Best to proceed with caution and try to ascertain for sure that there’s a problem.

Advocate for Moderation


Dear Advocate,

That’s a good point. People unfamiliar with substance use don’t tend to recognize the subtle gradations of it.

Not to make light of her concern; if she’s worried, she should talk to Mary. But if Mary insists that she’s fine, it’s possible that, you know, she’s really fine.


Hey there, Sars.

I have a question regarding your advice to Two Good, the Floridian who cheated on her fiancée. You recommend that she both tell Chuck that she’s cheated on him and that she break it off with him. I’m by no means an expert in such matters, but it seems to me that there is at least a question as to whether both actions should be taken. I mean, if she is serious about making things work with Chuck, then I think that she should reveal the affair to him and find out if he is willing to work things out anyhow. But if she is going to break up with him anyway — and it sounds as if they have issues besides her cheating — then is it necessarily advisable to tell him she’s been unfaithful? “I want to break up with you because I don’t think we belong together, and by the way, I’ve been cheating on you” is honest, but also seems pretty tough to spring on someone all at once.

I’m not convinced that I’m right about this — maybe it’s important that Chuck know she cheated so that he realizes she’s really not right for him, allowing him to move on a little more easily. But I’m interested to hear what you think. Do you think that she should weigh the pros and cons for and against full disclosure, or do you think that she simply owes it to Chuck to tell him the full truth, regardless of the emotional fallout this revelation might cause him?

I’ve witnessed similar situations before, and I am very curious to hear your opinion on this matter.

Sincerely,
Perplexed By The Ethics Of Cheating


Dear Perplexed,

I certainly don’t think the strategy I recommended for Two Good — namely, burn it down and salt the earth — applies in every case of infidelity. At the risk of stating the obvious, she didn’t ask me for general advice on cheating; she asked me what I thought she should do, and that’s what I told her.

Cheating doesn’t happen in a vacuum. In Two Good’s case, the cheating took place in the context of restlessness, denial, indecisiveness — a bunch of factors which indicated to me that she’s just not ready to make the kind of commitment a marriage requires. Add to that the fact that she doesn’t seem particularly well-suited to, or even all that fond of, Chuck, and that’s the perspective from which I told her to ‘fess up and get out.

Of course every situation is different. If she’s already married, my advice isn’t the same; if she’s 29 instead of 19, my advice isn’t the same. But in Two Good’s case, I just didn’t see any point in prolonging what looked, to me, like the inevitable. She needs to grab a pair, admit that she fucked up, turn Chuck loose, and do some serious thinking about what she wants and how she treats people.


Dear Sars,

I need some advice. When I was very young — I’m talking toddler here — I met a girl my age, and we became fast friends. We grew up together, spent countless weekends with one another, had all of our big adolescent life experiences together. Her parents were divorced, and she spent the weekdays during the school year with her mother in another town. During the summer and on the weekends, she lived next door to me with her father. If we didn’t see each other, we’d call each other, and write letters.

When we were in our teens, we grew apart a little, but we were still great friends. Then, things started to get sort of odd between us. There would be “accidental” touches that were more than friendly, on both of our parts. (No pun intended.)

One night during the summer, we were hanging around her house, and to make a long story short, we ended up getting extremely high on marijuana. Things got very sexual between us, but the next morning, neither of us mentioned it. We both claimed to have no recollection of what we’d done after we’d smoked the pot.

We’d had conversations about sexuality before, and I know at that point in her life, she was against homosexuality and thought of herself as straight, even though she’d had sexual contact with other female friends.

Things between us got a little more strained, and then bounced back, and we were back to “normal.” Until one night some time later when, stone-cold sober, we ended up doing the proverbial deed. There wasn’t much talk of it that morning, and after that day, neither of us mentioned it again.

Needless to say, things got even more weird between us. We’d go days and weeks without talking to one another. There were a few times we got together to visit after that summer, and we’d have a great time together, but then it’d be back to not speaking again.

I haven’t seen her, or heard from her, in well over two years. But I still think about her often, because the best memories of my childhood involved her. I don’t want a sexual relationship with her at all. I chalk the whole thing up to teenage experimentation. I just miss the great times we used to have together before that.

Anyway, my question is this: I want to write her a letter (because I don’t have her current phone number, and because it seems like rejection is less likely to be painful — she can’t hang up on me, she just wouldn’t reply) to tell her I miss her, but I’m not sure what to say. I don’t think I should mention the “encounters” we had…but I’m deathly afraid that I’ll slip up and make it seem like I’m hinting at something.

I’m going to be moving soon, when I “reach the age of majority” — out of my parents’ house, possibly out of state — and it seems like it’s now or never. It’s all very uncomfortable, and I realize that she’s probably changed as much as I have in these last few years, but I’d love to talk to her again. What should I do? Has it been too long for it to be anything but weird? Should I just let sleeping dogs lie?

Thanks for any advice you can offer,
Nostalgic Nina


Dear Nina,

Go ahead and write the letter — and try not to worry too much about “slipping up” or “hinting.” If she chooses to get all hectic about a hook-up that happened years ago, there’s nothing you can do about that; you can’t control what she reads into it.

Pursuant to that, you might consider just bringing it up right off the bat and acknowledging the elephant in the room. Again, if she wants to make a federal case out of it, you can’t really stop her, but I don’t see anything wrong with saying straight out, “Look, I know we had This Thing That Happened and maybe you feel weird about it, but that’s in the past and this letter isn’t about that — I just miss you as a friend.” If you make too heroic an effort not to mention your flinglet, that’ll come through no matter what you write.

Just write what you feel; tell her what you told me. If she doesn’t respond, or freaks out, well, that would suck — but at least you’ll know. A woman who gets all bent out of shape about a little teenage pink action probably isn’t someone you want in your life long-term, but you genuinely miss hanging out with her, so you should say so.

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