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Sarah:

Pork’s still a red meat; pork just has better advertisers.

That ad campaign you mentioned wasn’t based on any scientific study; instead, it was based on the fact that red meat, before Atkins, was labeled “bad” and meat as an industry suffered. Pork, though, had a leg up: pork doesn’t really look red. Hence, the tagline.

Our bodies don’t see a difference between the protein structures in pork and beef; they’re digested pretty much the same. There is a difference between the way our bodies digest chicken and red meat, though. Longtime vegetarians who want to return to their carnivorous ways can dive into a bucket of KFC a little easier than they could into a steak from Houstons.

Mike

PS: Sorry if this is the three-thousandth email of this nature.

Dear Mike,

…Not as sorry as I am. Heh.

After a flood of emails, I stand corrected; according to the USDA and various biology-department websites, pork is indeed a red meat. Which, in a general whole-animal sense, works for me, because ham is not white, really, and neither is bacon. Well, bacon is a “the other fat meat,” but whatever. I apologize for the error; pork is red.

However: maybe most bodies don’t see a difference between pork and beef, but mine sure as hell does. I can accidentally ingest a chunk of bacon, or pick ham out of something and eat it, with no ill effects, but if a cow even walked past anything I eat, it’s over. So, in the sense that “classic” red meats like beef and lamb make me horribly ill, and pork/pig-derived meats do not, pork is kind of a white meat in my universe.

But I’m a vegiquarian, what do I know.

Sars,

Here’s a simple question about a seriously fucked-up and drama-laden situation. If this is too heavy for The Vine, feel free to delete and or ignore it. I’m asking you for your advice because the people I usually go to for advice are too close to the situation and a disinterested opinion would be helpful.

Is there a statute of limitations for smack-downs? For major infractions, I mean? Because I’ve got a kind of interesting situation and I don’t know if I’m a nutbag who needs to suck it up and get on with my life already, or if this is a situation that really needs for some sort of closure before I suck it up and get on with my life already.

The drama-laden situation? A little less than seven years ago, my only brother died in an apartment fire. His roommate (a lad known far and wide as a Grade-A weasel) got high, lit one of those triple-wick candles, left it burning on a wooden endtable and went to bed without blowing the damned thing out. My bro was the first one to wake up and smell the smoke. Instead of bailing out his window, he (according to the other roommate, who is a much nicer human being) jumped out of bed and started yelling and banging to let his roommates know that the joint was on fire and they should wake up and get out. End result? They made it out, but my brother wasn’t so lucky; he died of smoke inhalation before the paramedics could get there.

Whether it’s rational or not, I hold the jackhole who lit the candle responsible for my brother’s death. He does not share my opinion. He has never apologized for what happened, and has never expressed any gratitude for my brother saving his life that night. In fact, he had the stones to go over to my mother’s house a few months after the fire and tell her that the apartment was cleaned up and remodeled, and that he was thinking of renting it again. My family has had sporadic contact with him since then (usually when he wants a favor), and we share some acquaintances who mention him every now and then, and most of what I hear from them indicates that he’s the same self-absorbed ass that he always was.

Unfortunately, I let this fester WAY too long — right after the fire, I was too shell-shocked to think about holding him accountable, much less to do something constructive like talk to him about it, and as time passed, I lost the urge to hunt him down and beat him until you could slide him through a mail slot. Or so I thought — I’m writing to you, so obviously the very thought of the little weasel still ticks me off.

The thought of looking him up and having a little chat is very tempting — I’m not stupid enough to think he’ll see the error of his ways, fall to my feet and beg for forgiveness, but I do think doing it for me (sounds selfish, I know) would be a good thing, healing-wise. I’ve kinda/sorta learned to deal with all of the other issues that come up when a 20-year-old loses her 19-year-old brother, but not coming to terms with the stoner pyro roommate feels like a huge roadblock on the quest for that holiest of psychological holies, “closure.”

I personally feel that I will lose at least 20 crazy points by confronting this guy; am I right, or should I just Let It Go Already?

Thanks,
She Who Possibly Dwells On The Past A Little Too Much

Dear Love That Mail-Slot Imagery,

It’s not about how crazy it “makes you look,” to my mind; it’s about what you’d get out of it, and I am not in your position, thank God, but if it’s closure you’re looking for, I don’t think you’ll get it from confronting the guy. He’s probably not going to admit any wrongdoing; he might make you feel bad for bringing it up so many years later; it’s not going to fix the central problem, which is that your brother was unfairly taken from you and from this life.

Would I want to beat the guy purple, myself? Oh, obviously. Would I be sending him fire-safety pamphlets anonymously through the mail? Um…probably. But there’s a satisfaction and a peace you’re looking for that this person is, I suspect, not capable of providing.

So, yes, maybe you should Let It Go — not your feelings about it, or about the roommate, necessarily, but about facing him down. Or, really, about thinking that that will “finish” the chapter for you. I don’t think it’s a bad idea per se to talk to him or write him a letter and say, briefly and without too much dramatic language, that you do hold him responsible and that his lack of affect is upsetting to you. But I don’t think it’s going to make you feel better, necessarily, so if you do choose to do it, you should be very realistic with yourself about what you want out of it and what you can expect to happen.

Seeking closure on this is appropriate, I think, but the roommate can’t provide it, most likely.

Sars,

I’ve been married for about four years. My husband and I met at a rather
conservative Christian college about seven years ago. Neither of us were
particularly religious, and over the years I’ve largely fallen away from
Christianity. I’ve questioned a lot of the beliefs whereas my husband
holds to them quite strongly.

About six months ago, I began attending a Jewish synagogue. I feel very
at home there; the places where my beliefs differed from Christianity
line up very neatly within Judaism, I enjoy the services, and I’m making
friends. I have begun meeting with the Rabbi to pursue conversion. The
problem is that my husband vehemently disapproves of my desire to be
Jewish. He is bitter that I am making some changes in my life. I
understand that, since we’re married, our choices affect each other, but
I’m not asking him to go to services with me, or keep kosher, or any of
it, really. However, since he believes so strongly that Judaism is
“wrong,” things have gotten rather ugly in our house.

So the question is: Is it fair of me to be making this change in my
life? Am I right in expecting more support than what he is showing? Is
my spiritual seeking interfering with our marriage, or am I entitled to
change my religion at this point and expect him to support that? Should
I stop practicing Judaism out of respect for my marriage? Does it even
matter whose “fault” it is?

Thanks for any advice you can give — I’m trying to get as many opinions
as possible, and I respect yours immensely.

Not Jewish, but not Christian

Dear Chris,

Of course it’s “fair” for you to make this change in your life, and I’ve never really understood why certain sects of Christianity viewed Judaism as such a huge leap away from what they believe, really. Yes, there are several significant and obvious differences, but on a spiritual level? I just really don’t see the big deal. Then again, I was raised in an interdenominational church, so I’m more mellow than some about these issues.

And, in fairness to your husband, you met at a conservative Christian college, and while you may not have been particularly observant, it’s not out of bounds for your husband to have an expectation in that regard — that you have a baseline respect for and allegiance to those beliefs, rather than others. It’s sort of like the facial-hair question from a couple years ago in that it’s not just about the beliefs themselves; it’s that this isn’t what he thought he was marrying.

People change and evolve, and sometimes a relationship can go with that flow, but other times, it can’t, and I can’t really tell you whether your marriage is flexible enough to deal with this kind of change when one party really doesn’t approve. But you have some decisions to make, and some conversations to have, about which is more important to you, your spiritual seeking or your relationship with your husband; how far you’re willing to go for either one of those things; whether your husband’s real problem is with Judaism, or with you for changing, and so on. The two of you need to have some frank discussions about the bottom lines here, because I think it’s great that you’ve found a spiritual community where you feel at home — but if this isn’t what your husband signed up for, well, it isn’t, and I don’t really get why he has a problem with the Jewish faith, but his insecurity in the larger sense is not unsympathetic either.

Think about it. Talk to each other. If you give up this part of your life, you’ll resent him; if you don’t, he has some choices to make. The two of you should probably go to counseling, but at the very least, speak frankly to each other about what’s really going on here. Because I have to say, I don’t think it’s the God stuff. I think it’s the couple stuff. Put that at the top of the list.

Dear Sars,

I’m writing you because the Vine question from “Once a
bridesmaid, never again”
prompted me to write you for an outside
opinion on a sticky, marriage-related issues that has recently
cropped up with my sibling. (Also, this got way longer than I
expected it to be, so please feel free to edit out anything
unnecessary or repetative. If I’m making a big deal over nothing or
being a jackass, please feel free to boot me into the middle of next
week with the size nines. I need it sometimes.)

My younger sister, who I’ll call “Jane,” is a 20-year-old full-time
college student. She lives with our mother and commutes to a local
university. She will graduate in about a year, and,
while she currently has a part-time job and pays her car insurance,
gas, and cell phone bill, she is mostly dependent upon my mom for
financial support, housing, and food. Jane has always been a really
independent, hysterically funny, unique, and spontaneous (though
probably a bit immature) person. She’s the baby, she’s a little
spoiled, and she’s very stubborn. We’re pretty close for siblings
with a 10-year age difference, but we’re definitely of different
generations. Despite this, we’ve been pretty close until recently.

Jane has been dating a guy I’ll call “Chip” for the past year. Chip
is a 25-year-old full-time college student, but he acts more like
he’s around 19. When their relationship became serious, Chip advised
my sister that he could not marry someone who was not of his faith
(he’s LDS), and he saw no point in continuing to date someone he
wouldn’t consider marrying. My sister converted to Mormonism shortly
thereafter, though she insists that her decision was made completely
independently of Chip. Her choice of the Mormon religion was not an
issue for anyone in our family, and our mother attended her baptism.

Last spring, Jane announced that she and Chip were planning to get
married in a year (June 2006). (He would still be in school for a
year after that, and she would still be in school for six months.)
No one in my family was keen on that idea, and it’s kind of a
standing rule that all parties involved are expected to complete at
least a bachelor’s degree before getting married. Many people
suggested that maybe they become engaged then and have a some time to
get used to being out of college and working full-time before getting
married. (Our other sister believes that the rush to get married is
based on the fact that Chip doesn’t believe in sex before marriage,
though they spend nearly every night together at his apartment.)

It’s not that the family doesn’t want them to get married EVER, just
to wait until they’re in a more stable place in their lives. Jane
and I discussed this, too, so she knows that I am of the opinion that
she should at least wait until both of them have graduated from
college before getting married. I just think you change and grow so
much in college and following graduation that marrying before then
can be problematic on a number of different levels. The least of
which is how Jane and Chip are going to support themselves on his
tips from waiting tables and her retail job, both part-time. She
thinks that they can just live in government subsidized housing
(which is not at all safe in the city in which they live) and that,
if their plans fall through, the families will help support them.
Chip’s folks might, because they are very in favor of Chip and Jane
marrying as soon as possible, but our family is of the mindset that,
if you’re old enough to get married, you’re old enough to pay your
own way in the world. My family is not well-off, either, and we’ve
had to take out loans to pay for part of Jane’s education.

Jane went on a study-abroad trip to Europe over the summer. While
she was gone, she began to question whether she was ready to get
married. When she came back from overseas, she was very excited
about pursuing a graduate degree and getting a job that would allow
her to travel to other foreign countries. She also met a boy during
the trip and developed a huge crush on him. Most of her photos of
the trips include this young man, and, while she showed them to our
family, she did not show those to Chip.

When she returned home, Jane and Chip started to argue a lot about her
not wanting to get married in nine months, as they’d
previously agreed. He told her that if she didn’t want to marry him
then, that that meant she didn’t want to marry him at all. He has a
hard time understanding why our family wants her to graduate from
college before getting married (since his family is all for their
marrying as soon as possible), and he also told her that he didn’t
want to travel extensively, as it would inhibit his ability to get a
stable job and climb the corporate ladder quickly. He told her that
if she was going to put her graduate education or career ahead of
their future children, she would not be a good mother. In addition,
Jane has become very self-conscious about her appearance, since Chip
told her he thinks that it is important to “take pride” in how one
looks. He told her once that he thought she was gaining weight,
which really upset her at one time, but now she says that she “made
him” say it. The combination of these things made Jane very angry
and upset, and she considered ending the relationship.

I’m not sure what’s happened in the past two months, but the wedding
is mostly back on. I say “mostly” because Jane has started planning
the wedding for their original June 2006 date. However, she’s not
100% sure she wants to marry Chip. She’s “pretty sure,” but has not
officially decided yet, and she wants to start planning so when she
decides, the ball is rolling and the wedding can happen quickly. I
think confirming that you actually want to get married and be married
to THAT particular person is the most important part of the decision,
not what dress to wear or what color flowers to have, which seems to
be what she’s focusing on.

Jane has told various members of our family, to whom we are both very
close, that she wants everyone to get on board with the wedding and
not criticize her decision (though she hasn’t really made a definite
decision yet). She believes that the entire family does not like
Chip and that we don’t want her to marry him because he’s Mormon.
She refuses to understand that our prime issue is not Chip and not
their Mormon faith; rather, it’s their maturity levels and status as
full-time students. While we’re sad that we won’t be able to attend
their actual wedding (since they plan to marry in a Mormon temple and
non-members cannot enter the place they will be married), no one has
discouraged or denegrated her choice of the Mormon faith, and, in
fact, my mom has hosted a number of bible study and social events in
her home. My mother and some other family members also like Chip.
(Our other sister and our respective husbands are not terribly fond
of him, mostly because we feel some of the things Chip has said to
Jane are borderline abusive; he made fun of our sister’s elderly dog
because she has trouble getting around these days, and they feel like
Jane acts like a totally different person when Chip’s around. I’m
not terribly fond of Chip, but it’s more a feeling of ambivalence
than outright dislike.)

So, now that the wedding is sort-of back on, Jane keeps dropping
hints around me (saying things like, “These are the flowers I want
for my wedding.” or “Does anyone know if Crate & Barrel does wedding
registries?”), but she won’t address the wedding directly with me.
I’ve already said my piece on the situation, she’s said she doesn’t
want to hear dissenting opinions, and I’m not quite sure where to
proceed. I don’t think what she’s doing is a good idea, and I’d feel
really fake and hypocritical pretending that I think it is. But I
also don’t want every conversation with her to be a rehash of my
feelings on the matter. I’ve already told her how I feel, she
disagrees, and it’s her life. I’ll love her whether she’s married,
single, Mormon, purple, whatever, and I’ll attend whatever portion of
the wedding to which I’m invited. I just know that she often does
things to prove she’s right and we’re all wrong rather than thinking
it through, and this is way to serious a matter to be proving a point
over.

So, Sars, what do I do from here? Wait for her to directly address
the question of her wedding or bite on one of her allusions to it?
Get on board and help her plan a wedding she’s not even decided she
wants to have, despite my serious misgivings about it? Not care that
she doesn’t want to hear dissenting opinions and tell her again that
I think this is a terrible idea and that she needs to be 100% on the
boy before she goes looking for the right dress? Our family is not
large, and it’s a hard situation to avoid.

On top of all this, she wants to have a vow ceremony and 30-60 person
reception at a family member’s (we’ll call him “John”) home. John is not
in good health at all (in fact, he has very serious health problems),
and getting the home and back yard into the shape in which he would
expect it to be in order to host this event would require a lot of
work that I do not think John is healthy enough to do himself in the
time available. Jane has said that she doesn’t care if the house is
spotless, but John DOES care. He thinks it would be a poor
reflection on him if the house is not neat and some repairs are not
done. I suggested that he ask Jane and/or Chip to help with the work
required inside and outside the house, but John replied that he’d
discussed it with Jane, and it’s unlikely either of them would have
time to spend a lot of time helping between their jobs and school
work. (Jane also has a history of offering to help with something
and never finding the time to do it.)

Based on his health, the
amount of work to be done, and the inability of the couple to help, I
think that John should advise them they need to have the second
ceremony and reception elsewhere. Usually, I would think that this
question is between Jane and John. However, John has a hard time
saying no to anyone and has been taken advantage of by Jane before.
I am also very close to John and will likely end up picking up any
slack if Jane doesn’t help. Jane does have the social hall of the
church available to her, but she doesn’t like it because it looks too
much like a gymnasium.

So, here’s round two (you know, in the event Jane decides Chip is THE
ONE in the next six months): Is it unreasonable to ask her to have
the reception elsewhere or to make her having it at the house
contingent upon her and Chip’s ability to assist with the
clean-up/fix-up? Should I tell her that I think she’s putting a lot of
extra stress on John that he definitely doesn’t need right now?
Should I put together some ideas on how to spruce up a gymnasium-like
hall to be acceptable to her? (Not that I’m keen on the last idea,
but John has provided an immense amount of emotional support to me
throughout my life, and I’d rather do something I don’t want to that
help him than have him hurt himself preparing for the reception
because I chose to stand on some principle against the wedding.)

Thanks!

Joe’s Other Bitchy Sister

Dear Sis,

You need to wash your hands of all of this, pretty much. I don’t mean that you stop talking to Jane or refuse to attend the wedding or anything melodramatic like that; I mean that you stop trying to manage Jane. She’s still rather adolescent, but the only way she’s going to learn things like perspective and self-esteem is by making her own mistakes, big and small, and you need to let her do that. You need to stop trying to protect her, because I think she’s always had the rest of the family taking that role with her, and it’s perhaps prevented her from growing up as much as she might.

Now, learning the hard way that a wedding is not in fact a fairy tale and that “any port in a storm” is not the way to conduct your personal life? It isn’t something you enjoy watching a younger sibling go through. It is frustrating watching someone you love make dumb choices. But she’s technically a voting adult, and again, she has to learn some things for herself. She doesn’t want to hear it; she doesn’t want to be told what to do. That’s fine; I didn’t either at that age. And at that age, I mooned over some gen-yoo-wine shitbags, and got hurt, and figured it out. And my mother tried to tell me, but it didn’t work. I had to get it for myself.

The John situation, same thing. If John wants to be a doormat, that’s his problem. If Jane wants to be careless of other people, to the detriment of her relationships with them, that’s her choice. If you want to suggest alternatives for the reception, go ahead, but — sing it with me if you know the words — this is Jane’s deal, to fuck up or pull off, whichever, and you need to understand and make peace with the fact that you can’t control the situation or her approach to it. Give her the necessary information on John’s health, suggest other locations, and then step back and let her do what she’s going to do.

“But –” No. You have to step back. Because the thing is, you can “handle” this whole mishegoss now, and be over-involved in it, and maybe get the result you want on Jane’s behalf, but in two years it’s going to be the same kind of shit all over again, because she still won’t get it, because you stood between her and “it” and she didn’t learn anything. She needs to deal with the consequences of her actions like every other grown-up, and you need to allow that to happen.

Hi Sars,

I’ll try to keep it brief. I’m overweight, want to lose weight, and for all
my good intentions I have very little self-discipline. I talked my
boyfriend into getting us gym memberships last year and we’ve gone…um…three times? Four? I’ve created diets and lasted on them for a few days,
and then ditched them because either I couldn’t afford to maintain it, or
because of the inconvenience of bringing my own food to work.

I realize this is all my fault, and on top of being naturally lazy, I’m
paranoid. I don’t remember seeing any flabby bodies at our gym; in fact,
there are lots of young blonde things working out at all hours of the day.
This means, A) I feel gross in comparison, and embarassed to be so large and
flabby next to them and B) I get jealous. Stupid, I know, but after our
first visit to the gym, I made a joking comment to the boyfriend about how
he kept watching me while we were on the treadmills, which earned me a
flattering, “Actually, no. I mean, yes, but I was also kinda looking at the
girl next to you more.”

The girl next to me was about the size of my right leg, perhaps slightly
taller, and his “looking” lasted about 45 minutes. So, that felt great, as
you can imagine. The other times we went were only slightly better, and
each time I ended up on the verge of tears, if not actually crying on the
way home. Pitiful, I know. And, I will admit that I was keeping an eye on
him almost the whole time, each time, to see what piques his interest. I
look nothing like them.

The boyfriend has become a little more sensitive/tactful since then, but I
don’t want to create an opportunity to feel that way again.

I want to get on a schedule or routine or something, so I’m seeking your
advice on how to have more self-discipline, as well as how to get over my
loathing of the gym. Please, please, please. I feel like solving one
problem might solve them all.

Thanks very much,
M

Dear M,

First of all: Men look. It is what it is. Make an issue of it at your peril, because seriously, ninety-seven percent of the time it’s a meaningless reflex, so I caution you: do not go down that road with your boyfriend. For real. He doesn’t know he’s doing it and it’s going to cause the kind of teary fights where everyone feels queasy afterwards.

Second of all: I can’t help you get over your loathing of the gym, because I share it. I hate working out, because it’s boring and uncomfortable, and I don’t need any witnesses, so I do tapes, at home, where only the cats can see. My advice? Forget the gym and pick up some copies of The Firm (it’s a brutal workout, at first, but you will get visible results in two weeks). Rent some yoga videos from the library. Put on your iPod, go to a local stadium or train station, and run stairs for half an hour. Do something that’s more fun, something unique, less of a scene — and something that’s right there in the house is way better at cutting down on “it’s cold out, bah” or “I’m too tired after work” excuses. Get up, do the workout first thing in the morning, shower in your own home, get on with the day.

If you can stick to any regimen for two weeks, you will start to see results and it will motivate you to keep going. It’s the first week or ten days where it’s the hardest to stick it, so don’t look beyond that and feel like you’re making a life commitment to Pilates. Just try to do it for ten days, and don’t bother leaving the house. Make it private you time instead.

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