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Submitted by on April 6, 2005 – 3:55 PMNo Comment

Hi there,

When I went to school for my Bachelor Degree in journalism (Carleton
University, Ottawa), we were taught by a veeery particular professor
to go with this option when verbally indicating a quotation:

“The defendant stated quote I don’t know how the cat got into the
federal documents end quote.”

It certainly sounds better in a television broadcast, and if you think
about it, “unquote” doesn’t make any sense. You’re not taking the
quotation marks away from the statement altogether (as “unquote” sort
of suggests), you’re indicating the end of the quotation. Thus: “end
quote.”

Addendum: the noun is “quotation,” the verb is “quote”; this is an
important distinction that could help future journalism students
graduate with honours. You cannot — ever — “get a quote” from
someone.

The only acceptable use of “quote” as a quasi-noun is in the above
example, and even there it should only be invoked when required for
clarity in spoken conversation or broadcasts.

Bet you enjoyed typing “quote” another fifty times.

All the best, Sars.

Enjoying my dill pickle dip again after three years in London

Dear You’d Think The Brits Would Have A Dill Pickle Chip Sauce,

I guess “end quote” works better — but remember, it has to work out loud, not just on the page, and “end quote” is harder to enunciate than “unquote” (and ends up sounding like “unquote” anyway, which is probably where it came from, now that I think of it).

I have to overrule you on “quote”/”quotation,” too, I’m afraid. This is one of those rules that isn’t a rule anymore; my Webster’s lists “quotation” as a definition of “quote,” and while it’s the second definition listed and the verb is first, “quote” can indeed function as a noun. It’s like “loan”/”lend” — it used to be a rule, but then the language just kind of ignored the rule, and now it’s not a rule anymore.

I took a hard line on that one for years myself, and I still try to use “quote” and “lend” as the verbs and “quotation” and “loan” as the nouns in my own writing/speech…but it’s not wrong to flip them.

Dear Sars,

There are a couple instances of trendy
faux-intellectual words which are assaulting me, and I
want a second opinion before I start correcting usage
in documents that my coworkers give me to proof.

“Conflicted” — Do you think of this as a word? This
seems like psychobabble, like when “dysfunctional” and
“codependent” became overused several years ago. Aren’t
synonyms like “confused,” “torn,” or “undecided” perfectly
valid?

“Disconnect” — I insist that this is a verb. Using
it as a noun is, I believe, an incorrect and lazy
shortcut for people who don’t want to correctly refer
to oxymorons, “hypocrisy,” “cognitive dissonance,” and
other words for contradictions.

Am I nitpicky and old-fashioned? I would be curious to
hear if you think that either of these are valid. If
you think they are valid, I would also like to know if
you think they are formal enough to use in business
communication to, for example, a potential customer
who is herself a corporate executive.

I await your fatwa,
Just trained ’em not to say “irregardless”

Dear Don’t Bother, That Shit Is In The Goddamn Dictionary Now,

Sure, the synonyms for “conflicted” you list are valid. But “conflicted” is still a word. So is “disconnect” in its noun form; it’s a relatively recent coinage (11C says it came into the language only thirty years ago), but it’s correct.

I agree with you that certain words get vastly overused, particularly psychology-adjacent terms and phrases — “having issues” is one that, I think, has gotten bankrupted and needs to be retired for a while, but it’s so braided into the way my friends and I speak now that I find myself having issues with not saying “having issues” instead of, say, “I disagree with blah” or “I don’t know how to handle blee.”

As I say almost every time, the function of usage and grammar rules is to maximize clarity and exactitude — so, in business writing, you should edit these words with an eye to those qualities, as well as to a certain level of professionalism. So, I think “disconnect” is okay as long as it’s an accurate description of the situation, i.e. “we’re seeing a disconnect between our market research and the point-of-sale numbers.” But I don’t like “conflicted” for business writing; it’s too personal. It sounds whiny. Saying there’s a conflict between two priorities? Okay. Describing yourself as conflicted instead of “undecided” or “faced with a difficult choice”? You come off weak there; I don’t think it’s an appropriate presentation.

There’s a lot of business-speak I could do without, because it’s wimpified English designed to avoid taking a position — “thinking outside the box,” “liaise,” “downsizing,” I could go on at length (and have elsewhere). Mealy-mouthed non-denial-denial corporatese is the reason “Dilbert” exists, and I hate it, but it’s really hard to rout. I actually said “market penetration” out loud the other day and I wasn’t joking. Just do the best you can to fight the creep, but realize, it’s not going anywhere, because it makes managers who aren’t very smart feel safe.

I just insulted myself. That’s awesome. Waiter, more coffee!

I work in a small office. Everyone is close, and we all hang out a lot. Anyway, I found out from my boss, who I am pretty good friends with, that one of my really good friends’ job is in jeopardy. The other partners aren’t fond of my friend. My boss has been running interference, but may not be able to continue to do so. My friend and the other partners just clash and don’t work well together. Unfortunately for my friend, they out-rank him.

My question is, should I alert my friend? Start dropping hints or something? Perhaps tell him that he needs to work on his relationship with the other partners? I don’t want to betray my boss’s confidence, but I want to do right by my friend. I would want to know so I could start lining up another job. But then again, maybe the situation has just been misinterpreted. I might end up causing my friend to leave, which my boss really doesn’t want, nor do I. What should I do?

The Girl Who Knew Too Much

Dear Girl,

Did your boss tell you in confidence, in so many words? Was it strongly implied by his/her tone that you shouldn’t tell your friend, or anyone else? Because if so, you might have to keep your mouth shut or risk losing your own job, and while I’d want to know too, I don’t think I’d expect you to betray a confidence if it could get you canned.

And what is the nature of the “relationship,” exactly — do the other partners just not like your friend’s personality? Has he screwed up? What exactly might have gotten “misinterpreted” — a joke? A memo? His attitude?

It’s hard for me to advise you when I don’t have any background on where the dislike came from or how it started, but it’s possible that your friend is just a bad fit there — and if he’s oblivious to that at the moment, that could be part of the reason, ironically. I mean, most people have a sense of whether they’re well-liked and/or respected at work; if your friend doesn’t, just generally, you might have a word with him (again, just generally) about developing some radar for that.

For now, though, based on what little I know, I’d stay out of it. If your boss is spending a lot of time “running interference” for your friend, again, maybe this isn’t the greatest job/employee fit.

Sars —

This is a question about a boy, but isn’t really a “boy question” issue.

Many years ago, I met K during a brief overseas work project. We became
good friends and worked together on a few similar projects. We didn’t live
near each other in the States until more recently, when he moved to a town
an hour from my home. At that point, we were basically best friends and saw
each other when available, which was not often, as he consults around the
country during the week and only comes home on weekends. We have gone
through lengthy friendship fall-outs, when we didn’t speak, but have always
come back to our basic relationship, which really is “just friends.”

Over the past months, I have introduced him to a group of friends that I
have made in the last year. Included in this group is L, a wonderful
divorced woman who has quite a bit of money and no boyfriend. I know, you
can see it a mile off…L has now decided K is the perfect guy. Perfect,
except for his girlfriend of several years with whom he lives. Since K has
met my friends, he has been around more and more often. And, increasingly,
K and L are spending time together.

I don’t think this would bother me
except for the fact that I believe that K is leading L on and letting her
believe that a “relationship” may develop in the interest of having access
to the various perks associated with L’s friendship, i.e. vacation homes, a
fabulous condo downtown, a propensity to pick up checks. He is more and
more a part of our group outings, including visits to L’s beach house,
concerts and other events. Part of me is, admittedly, ticked off that he
seems to have “taken over” my group of friends, but I don’t think that issue
is really the crux of the problem.

The entire L situation is really making me nervous, as I am forced to sit
and watch L wait and hope for K to…I don’t even know what she thinks he’s
going to do. I’m mad at K for destroying the good group dynamic that this
group of friends had, as other people are now beginning to see what I’ve
been seeing for several months. Weekend gatherings that used to be fun are
now tense, as all of us are waiting to see if they hook up and break the
live-in girlfriend’s heart or if L’s heart is going to be the one to get
broken. Every time everyone is together, there is at least one “brief
encounter” in which L bares part of her soul and K tells her it can never
be, without really saying it can never be. In front of everyone. Gag. I
don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

The question is, do I keep my trap shut, absent myself from my really good
group of friends and wait for the inevitable? Or do I take the K by the
horns and tell him that he needs to put up or shut up? Or am I the asshat
for acting like a third-grader whose best friend decided to like someone
else this week?

Sincerely,
I’m leaning toward #1, with an option on #3

Dear I Think There’s A #4 Here,

I think your first step is to put a stop to the “brief encounters,” because they’re ooging everyone out. You don’t have to a be a bitch about it, but if L is all “my love, MY HEART” in front of the group? Come on. This isn’t a movie. Ask them to take some alone time and not make the rest of you uncomfortable. And I would also strongly consider telling L that, you know, there’s no hope. “Oh, she’ll just say she knows that and then be all frowny-moony.” Well, that’s her lookout, kind of. K has a live-in girlfriend, and if L looooooves him, okay, that’s fine, but again, it’s making the rest of the group uncomfortable.

If your suspicions about K’s motivations are correct, he’s gross, which you might point out to him, too — that, you know, un! comfortable! and he should quit it because everyone has noticed.

I know that neither of these options is particularly attractive, but the thing is, you’re waiting around for one of them to get a grip, and it ain’t happening — and my point here, really, is that there’s more going on here than “K is leading her on.” There’s also “L is being willfully dense,” “everyone is sitting by and allowing their drama to sit on the group’s chest like a succubus,” and so on.

Of course, you can’t control K yanking L’s chain or L refusing to catch her snap. You can only control your own behavior, so perhaps “not allowing them to dominate the group dynamic by sixth-grading it up at the corner pub” is your best course of action. If an aspect of the situation which you can affect is irritating you, say so. At the very least, they shouldn’t be carrying on the “you complete me”/”zip it” routine in front of civilians.

Hi,

This, I guess, is not particularly urgent — it’s more of a philosophical
question than an oh-my-god-my-boyfriend-ran-off-what-do-I-do type question.
Still, if you have time…

I enjoy your essays and appreciate that you are a feminist in the
dictionary-definition mould. The platonic ideal of a feminist, in fact. So I
was hoping for your help.

You see, I understand that beauty is subjective and that there is no “ideal”
look. I understand that beauty is a cultural construct, as much influenced
by politics and economics as aesthetics. I know that most models are
extremely under-nourished, that women’s magazines are designed to make us
feel bad about ourselves, and that the entire beauty industry is dependent
on our low self-esteem.

However, I also live at home with two incredibly gorgeous sisters. One, at
fourteen, is routinely approached on the street and asked to model. It’s
tacitly agreed that she is the pretty one. The other is really athletic and
quite a bit smaller than me. I’m not ugly, just “average-pretty” (thanks,
Mum), and have a BMI of 20, but most of the time I just feel like crap. I
can’t walk past a reflective surface sometimes without cringing, eat
compulsively when I am stressed or feel fat, and just generally feel
disgusting because of, say, the size of my thighs. I haven’t ever had a
boyfriend, which doesn’t really bother me (at 18, I’m in my second year of
uni and only just beginning to meet the interesting, intelligent guys that
don’t seem to exist before the age of 22), but I’m beginning to feel
horribly undesirable as a side effect. I know no one’s attracted to a
neurotic headcase, but being self-aware doesn’t reallly help when you think
boys are only flirting with you to make fun of you…

I’m feeling increasingly scizophrenic, here: one part of me disdains
everything the other part wants. Namely, to be pretty and thin, which is so
fucking superficial that I add a good dollop of self-loathing in there too.
So, as a groovy, older feminist chick — how can I reconcile these two sides?
The head and the heart? The intellect and, well, the ego? Do you have any
words of wisdom for those of us who have read The Beauty Myth but buy into
it anyway?

Pretty Superficial

Dear Pretty,

“No one’s attracted to a neurotic headcase”? Not true. Trust me. So that’s some good news.

Okay, seriously: I think you might benefit from counseling, because if you really think boys only flirt with you because they lost a bet or something, that’s…not so healthy. It’s kind of paranoid, but it comes from low self-esteem, and going to see a therapist would help you get a handle on that. Flirting is supposed to be fun.

But it’s all tied together — societal expectations of women vis-a-vis work and family that are impossible, plus the ways women absorb that they’re supposed to treat themselves and each other, the fact that more value is placed on a woman’s looks relative to the rest of her contributions than on a man’s, blah blah makes me tired. This is part of why your self-esteem is so low — because society trains you to think that you have to be pretty to be worth something, but then society is like, “Real feminists don’t give a shit, YOU WIMP,” so then you feel lame for caring, but then you still kind of care, and it’s just a vicious cycle and pass the Pringles.

And I think the trick is to remember that the shit is hard, missy. For everyone. For all of us. Every woman is told over and over again from the time she’s in diapers what she’s supposed to be, and she gets it from all sides — you’ve got to have great legs, but you’ve got to not care about your great legs — and it’s impossible! It’s. literally. impossible. It’s a standard that nobody can meet, and the horrible irony is that women, more so than men, are socialized to try to meet it anyway — to Be Good, to be what we think other people want.

My point here is not that it’s unfair, although it is, or that you shouldn’t care about your ass, because you probably shouldn’t — but you do, and that’s okay, and that’s my point. It’s really hard to figure out how and who to be as a woman in this world. It’s hard for men, too, I’m not saying different; I just don’t know as much about how it’s hard for them. (Could I say the word “hard” a few more times? I tried to rewrite that so it wasn’t giggly, but it just wasn’t happening. Waiter, more coffee! God.) But you have to give yourself a break, for real. You have to trust yourself to find your own way, to figure out that, yeah, magazines say I should have long straight hair because boys really like that but my hair looks better short, so it’s short and that’s that — to accept that you’re going to have days where you’re like, “I’m already a disgusting hog, so I will eat this entire package of Klondike bars, and then I will sulk, because I can’t be A Good Feminist every single goddamn minute, and also I AM UGLY.” I have done both of those things, and it’s fine, because I’m just a human being with problem hair who likes ice cream novelties over here. I do my best, but sometimes, I look at my ears and go, “Ew,” and then I drink beer.

You don’t have to be perfect. You just have to be good enough for yourself and the rest of it will fall into place. But even being good enough for yourself is really hard sometimes. It’s hard for everyone. It doesn’t make you a bad person. Go see a therapist and scream and yell about it; it really helps.

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