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The Vine: August 9, 2000

Submitted by on August 9, 2000 – 11:37 AMNo Comment

Mr. Stupidhead joins me in the booth again today. Two Buntings, no waiting.

Okay, here goes…For the past three years or so, I’ve been friends with this guy I’ll call Ryan. His friends and my friends have ending up forming an amalgamated blob of people – my boyfriend is one of his best friends, blah blah blah – that hang out tons and have a great time. Anyway, Ryan is very social, easygoing, sort of quiet, and this group sort of revolves around him; we’ve always met up at his place, and he loves being the center of attention in a very unselfish, unassuming way. He’s just a great guy.

 

Okay…so two years ago he started seeing this girl, “Kimmy.” She is the complete polar opposite of him: controlling, saccharine, whiny, self-pitying, naive…you name it. When I met her I assumed this was one of those cases where opposites were attracting or something but didn’t really think it would last. She couldn’t have fit in with us less, but was really nice, and despite my prejudices or whatever, I grew to like her somewhat.

So…a year later, they move in together. This of course was all Kimmy’s doing, and being the easygoing (and, yes, spineless) guy he is, Ryan went along with it. A few months later, things began to get real bad. She would come home from work and actually start crying if he hadn’t, say, picked up tomatoes from the store. Whenever there were any visitors (and believe me, there really haven’t been many since this living situation began, and when there are it’s hardly a party scene…maybe some pot smoking and card playing), she would whine continually about how tired she was and either fall asleep on his lap or ask him into the other room “to talk,” basically about how he’d better ask whoever’s there to leave. Essentially, she began treating all of Ryan’s friends, people she’s gushed to over and over about how “it’s so great to have such cool people to hang out with, I’m so glad you’re all so fun and that I fit in,” like we didn’t exist.

Ryan became pretty miserable and began spending less time at home. His three best friends counseled him to the tune of, “You can’t live with her again, let’s figure out how to make this work.” Ryan agreed wholeheartedly, and often spoke wistfully of friends not living with their significant others as “smart bastards.” He vowed to tell to her when the landlord asked about their lease. His friends, knowing he does love her despite everything, suggested he continue to date her, just not live with her. Ryan agreed this would be the way to go, although Kimmy would probably freak out, as a hangnail usually sends her into a tailspin. I asked Kimmy if she and Ryan planned on keeping the apartment for next year. “Of course!” she said. Weeks passed and it became known that Ryan, though he hid the renewal forms from Kimmy for a week, never got the spine up to discuss it, and, surprise, would remain her live-in for at least another year.

This was a couple of months ago. Since then, she’s been irrational and controlling, as usual, and he seems to have developed a drinking problem. I usually only see him on weekends when we’re all having a couple, but his friends that work and go to school with him keep telling me that he can’t be alone with her without a few under his belt, he always wants to drink the night away with them, and that they’re worried about him. He’s had a pretty bad drug problem in the (high school) past, so he’s definitely got that addictive personality, and obviously has humungo problems dealing with his feelings/issues.

When I talk to him about their relationship all he wants to say is, “I dunno, I just love her.” Then WHY all the drinking? I see him either quietly self-destructing, or continuing to let Kimmy run his life until he not-so-quietly self-destructs. I know this is something that he needs to resolve himself, but is there anything anyone can say or do? The magnitude of this just hit me that one night, when three twenty-three-year-old guys, who, being twenty-three, drink a fair amount themselves, approached me separately to tell me, “Don’t say anything, but I’m really worried about his drinking.” I dunno, it just really scared me. Yes, Ryan and Kimmy are both at fault here, and I don’t want to butt in, but I also don’t want to watch my friend become a drunk, or to be unhappy forever.

Can anything be done?

Concerned Friend of a Spineless, Confused Guy

Dear Concerned,

Sarah: Well, it’s one thing to butt in because you don’t like Kimmy or Kimmy’s effect on Ryan; it’s another thing entirely to butt in when you see a friend using alcohol as a way to deal with his problems. Sit down with Ryan and tell him that you and your other friends have started to worry about how much he drinks, and about why. Tell him that he seems really unhappy, and that you hate to see him hitting the bottle when there’s another solution. Urge him to get out of the living situation and assure him that you’ll do whatever you can to help him with the fallout from that.

If that doesn’t work and the drinking continues to worsen, get Kimmy out of the house for the night somehow and go over to see Ryan with the rest of your-all’s friends, and tell him – as a group – that he can pack a bag and go with you guys, or he can agree to find a new place and move out in a given time frame, but if he doesn’t deal with his shit, you’ll all cut him off. If he still won’t leave her, wash your hands of it and hope he comes to his senses before he gets really out of control.

Not to sound all melodramatically tough-love, but Ryan is an adult and he has to find a way to deal with his problems more constructively. You and your friends need to let him know that you care and that you’ll help him if he wants to make changes, but that you won’t continue to enable him if he refuses to face the facts about Kimmy. It’s hard, but you’ve got to do it, or you’ll just write me the same letter again in six months.

Mr. Stupidhead: Early in my freshman year of my college, I met my ex-girlfriend (let’s call her “Muticia”), who lived next door to me. By October, she and I were practically living with one another. She sucked in almost every way possible. She made me miserable by acting similarly to Kimmy, which made me in turn act quite similarly to Ryan. My drinking got a bit out of control, and I would go to great lengths to stay away from home as often as possible, just because I knew she’d always be there waiting.

Much like Ryan, I was blinded to her suckiness. Luckily, I had a few very close friends who weren’t afraid to tell me that I needed to get out of that situation as soon as possible, that I wasn’t the same guy they used to know, that I was drinking too much as a result of my situation.

I would say to just be frank with Ryan. He knows he’s miserable, and he knows what the cause is. He probably does love her (there are plenty of things about her that are probably quite lovable that you don’t get to see), but her manipulations and petty bitchings need to end, and Ryan needs to know this. Let him know that you are his friends and you’ll help him through it, but there are certain steps that he has to take himself, and if he doesn’t, there’s nothing more you can do. Just let him know. Trust me – he’ll be grateful for the concern.

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