The Vine: February 20, 2003
Dear Sars,
I have to write in regard to the chick who is pissed at her friend for cramming religion down her throat via email. What struck me about her letter was the fact that this woman agreed to be godmother to the kid. It seems that these women would have given more consideration to their offer and acceptance of godmotherhood if one was such a devout Catholic and the other agnostic.
Being a godparent in the Catholic church is somewhat different than this role in other religions. Firstly, it has zippy to do with raising the kid if something happened to the parents. Nothing at all. It has everything to do with a Catholic person helping to raise the kid as a believing and practicing Catholic. Raising the kid with “some type of spiritual beliefs” isn’t an alternative — you go Catholic or you go home. A non-Catholic may be a special “witness” to the baptism, but they are not a godparent.
The writers’ acceptance of this position concerns me for two reasons: 1) Her friend may be trying to convert her to Catholicism through this role, and 2) this kid will be missing out on a godparent who shares their religion, or even a working knowledge of their religion. I know many people will say godparent godschmarent, a godparent is for purely decorative purposes and no one expects anything of them. But the writer should not dismiss this responsibility — as someone who has wonderful godparents and is trying to be a good godparent, I can attest that godparents can be a source of religious guidance that cannot be found in other relationships. Even if the Catholic friend/mom is allowing a lot of leeway with godparenting, the writer should at the very least familiarize herself with what her true role is, and then decide if it’s something she wants.
If I Type “Godparent” One More Time I’ll Explode
Dear Explode,
Excellent point — and one that wouldn’t have occurred to me. I didn’t grow up Catholic, and I didn’t even know I had godparents until I called my mom five minutes ago to ask her, so I don’t really know how these things work.
But based on the discussion I just had with Ma, and the emails I’ve gotten over the last few days about that letter, I’d like to offer some general advice in re: godparenting, namely to get everyone on the same page as to what it involves. If you ask a friend to serve as a godparent, or a friend asks you, discuss what it means. Taking a hand in the child’s spiritual/religious instruction? Checks at birthdays and graduations? Guardianship of the child in the event of the parents’ untimely deaths? Because legal guardianship is just that, and you need state that as a provision in your will and clear it with the prospective godparents.
Godparenting is a token gesture to some people and a serious commitment to others, so whichever end of the question you find yourself on, discuss the expectations beforehand.
Dear Sars,
I have a situation, and I think I know what you’re going to say, but maybe I shouldn’t presume.
I am 32, and American, in love with an Englishman, 43. H is not perfect, and we have our squabbles, but I love him. I felt that he was the one. We feel the same age to me, and he says the same. We have lots of things in common — basic views on religion, et cetera — things we do to have fun, and we genuinely enjoy each other’s company. As well, we are able to be supportive of one another, during times of work crisis, or when one has a yucky confrontation to get through. Sexually, we have our problems (too much testosterone in one partner, not enough in the other), but we are working on coping with that imbalance in sex drive. I want children, and H is happy with that. I would love for him to be the father of my children.
H has been married and divorced, with one small son from that marriage. H has a stable job, while I am recently out of grad school, post-doc’ing. I moved to London to be with him, getting a post-doc position here (in London). We have been, and are, committed partners.
I’ve been in London for a year, and let me tell you, I dislike London intensely. It’s a bunch of little things that make me uncomfortable. The people seem grumpy and ill-tempered. They don’t look at one another, they won’t greet one another, they don’t smile. I compare Americans to the British (well, Londoners) and god, I miss home. I miss smiling at strangers on the street and having them smile back. I miss having people in the supermarket line strike up a conversation with me. People here find that weird, if a stranger talks to them.
As well, there is this pervasive societal pressure to conform to some standard of appearance, to wit: one should dress in black. If one is female, one should shave, and should color one’s hair in an attempt to look as young as possible. I see people on the train, men and women, not looking one another in the eye, but scrutinizing each other’s appearance closely when they think they are unobserved.
I don’t like how I am/how I feel here. I don’t seem myself (to me). I remember myself as friendly and perky; now I feel grumpy, and uncomfortable wearing red. Perhaps I’m just whining, and I shouldn’t care about these things. In print, they all seem like small things. But I can’t shake my discomfort. I have made friends, but it has been difficult. I usually don’t have trouble making friends, and my trouble with that here has been something I’ve had to adjust to. But that’s okay — I have a friend network now.
I have also observed the children here. They seem, I don’t know, not sweet, more rude. I don’t want to bring up children here.
I have spoken to H about this. We have discussed it many times. H has his good job (that it took him a long time to get) and his son here. I have H here, but also my sense of discomfort, and my unwillingness to bring up my own children here. In the U.S., H would have his own sense of discomfort (probably), would not have his good job (and in his field, as in mine, it is difficult to find a job), and wouldn’t have his son nearby.
A while ago, I suggested a possible compromise: I stay here for several (seven?) years, H’s son grows up a bit (he’s three now), and then we both look for jobs in the U.S. When one of us finds something good, we go. I put off children for several years, starting the process near the end of our time here. I thought this was a plan — not great, but given the constraints on H and me, no solution will be perfect. H and I have been operating on the assumption that we would follow this plan.
In a recent conversation, H said that he couldn’t promise that he would ever go to the U.S. I love this man, but I cannot stay in London.
Now, you might suggest that we move outside of London. We live as close in as we can afford, which is in the suburbs, and entails an hour’s commute to our jobs. It might be that, far outside London, the people turn nicer, the houses are more affordable, and the downside is the increased commuting time and cost. But I think that much more than an hour’s commute is untenable. Neither of us wants to spend much more time on the train than we currently do.
My current position is up in two months. I have been searching for a new position, and I have been looking in London (half-heartedly) and in the U.S. (more-heartedly, but you know, I love H).
A risk-averse strategy would be to give up on H, and get a job at home. My friends all say that I deserve someone who has not been married, has not already had children, is closer to my age, and who does want to live in the U.S. But you know how you say that you’re neurotic and picky? Well, I am too, and H is the first man that I knew I could marry. What would you do?
Sick at heart
Dear Sick,
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Love does not, in fact, conquer all. It can conquer a great deal, and thank God for that, but it can’t change facts. To tell you the truth, I don’t know how much of a chance you’ve really given London, and I don’t think I see why you can’t just wear red and smile at strangers if you like, or raise your future children as you see fit — the citizens of the United Kingdom won’t rear them communally, after all. You will. But if you “cannot stay in London,” then you can’t, and if that’s the case, I would go back to the U.S. now and get it over with.
You could stay and try to get a promise out of H that he’ll come back to the States with you eventually, but you’ll resent staying for another year, or five, or seven, and essentially putting your life on hold until you can get out of there, and he’ll resent promising to do something he’s already made it clear he’d rather not. I don’t see a middle ground here; either you can commit to London on a permanent basis and learn to cope somehow, or he can follow you to the U.S. and leave his old life behind, but one foot in one country and one foot in another isn’t going to work here. One of you has to suck it up. It’s okay if you can’t, but if you can’t, I wouldn’t advise waiting around for seven years, only to find out that he’s made up his mind, and not in your favor.
I can’t tell you which is more important to you, but you’ll have to choose between the States and H, and I think you’d better choose soon.
Dear Sars,
I’ve never really asked anyone other than my two best friends on how to deal with my issues…but right now, it seems to include the both of them.
Last year, I was in a relationship with a guy, and I had strayed from them both. Then when he stomped on my feelings like they were nothing, I ran to them, and they accepted me and comforted me. Now, I have an interest in another guy (call him “Davie”), and they say that they “have already lost me ever since I laid an eye on him.” We’ve talked, and I ended up being hurt. I know that their trust in me has been severed, but it seems as though they’re not giving me a chance to rebuild it. I really like the guy too, and right now it seems that I’m failing the “chicks before dicks” testament. They say that to them, it’s like I’m a “whore” (I think this was for a lack of a better word), but to me it’s like I’m just trying to get to know a person.
What can I do? I do not want to lose them because they are the greatest friends in the world to me, but I also really like Davie. Is there anything I can really do?
Torn
Dear Torn,
The greatest friends in the world couldn’t come up with a word more tactful than “whore”? Excuse me, but — no. Maybe you did ditch them for a guy in the past, and maybe you do need to work on that, but if they’ve made up their minds already that you suck because you like Davie, maybe it’s also time for you to find friends who can get past that played “chicks before dicks” bullshit and address these issues like grown-ups.
How sad is it that I’m happy to finally have a problem on which I need your advice? Unfortunately, I’m not happy about the problem itself.
When my husband and I met, he was not into sports at all, which thrilled me. Over the past six years, he has become more and more obsessed. He doesn’t play any sports; he just watches them and keeps track of standings and scores, et cetera. That wouldn’t be a problem, except that I have to hear all about it. Every day, I have to hear at least five asinine sports stories that I truly could not care less about.
I have reiterated to him that I do not like sports and do not care about sports and could he please not tell me every single detail about every story he reads, but it keeps happening. What’s a non-sports fan to do?
Is there a diplomatic way to say “I don’t care about your favorite hobby”? Or do I resign myself to nodding and saying “uh huh” for the rest of my life?
Thanks, Sars! You rock!
So Not Sporty
Dear Not,
I have a couple of questions for you. First of all, have you tried to care about sports? I don’t mean this in a “feign interest in what boys like so that they’ll like you” way, obviously; the boy in question already married you. But it’s one thing to sit with him during a few basketball games, say, and learn a little about what’s going on, and then decide that it’s not for you; it’s another thing to refuse to make an effort at all.
On the other hand, it’s possible that that’s exactly why your husband has immersed himself in sports — he knows you don’t care — and that leads me to my second question, to wit: Does the timeline here seem strange to you? You meet, you get married, and then he gets obsessed with sports, and he bores you with the minutiae even though you’ve told him repeatedly that you don’t give a crap? What does that suggest to you?
It suggests to me that you’ve got a bigger problem than ESPN, namely that you don’t hear each other anymore. I’d remove sports from the equation and see what you’re left with, because there’s something else going on here.
Hey Sars,
I have a concern that I hope you can help me
with.
See, I’m a girl who’s not really all that girly. I love cars and
power tools, I connect with football in a very deep and visceral way,
I can produce a well-rounded belch on command, et cetera. Most girls
haven’t the slightest idea what to do with me, and I tend to
associate with the boys more often than not, which I think is just
fine. Most of my really close friends are guys, and that works out
well for me.
The problem is this: I like boys, and would like to, at some point,
pursue some sort of more-than-friendly relationship with one. I have
noticed, however, that when I’m getting to know a guy in whom I’m
interested, I tend to sort of blithely march over the line
between “friend that I might like to go out with” and “friend that I
really know too well to date” without even noticing it was there in
the first place. So by the time I feel I’m ready to date him, he’s
usually of the opinion that it would be “weird,” since we’re so close
already. Much aggravation and ennui on my part follows.
So I guess what I’m asking is this: How do I show enough interest in
a guy to let him know I’d like to go out with him without getting too
close to preclude actually dating? (I realize all guys are different
and that they all have unique ways of relating to girls, but any
suggestions you have would be a great help.)
Thanks,
One of the Guys
Dear One,
You’ve answered your own question here. If a guy can’t relate to you on a romantic level because he knows you too well as a friend, that’s really his problem, wouldn’t you say? Because ideally, knowing you well as a friend, a woman he feels comfortable around, should make him more likely to see you as a prospect, not less. If a close friendship weakens his attraction to you, trust me, you don’t want to stick your hand in that.
If you like a guy, show your interest in the usual ways and let him reciprocate or not, but don’t start acting all Rules-y if it’s not you. I mean, you don’t have to introduce yourself by belching your name, but if he belches and you comment, “Nice reverb,” and then he gives you The Disapproving Eyebrow, he’s not the guy. The guy who’s all, “Oh, thanks — I can’t usually torque a Pepsi too well but I got lucky with that one”? He’s the guy. In fact, step off that guy — he’s mine.
Just kidding. Seriously, though. If he can’t dig your scene close-up, it’s his loss, not yours.
Tags: boys (and girls) friendships