The Vine: March 18, 2005
Dear Sars,
Since sometimes I can’t tell when I’m reading Vine letters, let me say
up-front that I’m a 23-year-old girl. About three months ago, I met and
started dating a friend of my cousin, who has recently become my roommate
(the cousin). James (26) and I decided fairly quickly to be boyfriend and
girlfriend. He is the sweetest, most thoughtful and generous person I’ve
ever met, but I’m afraid that the problem I’m about to describe will break
us up, and I’m hoping you can offer some advice so that it doesn’t come to
that.
He’s clingy. He wants to spend every minute of our free time together. At
first, this seemed really sweet. I haven’t had much luck with guys in the
past, and for the first few weeks, I basked in the affection that he gave
me daily. Lately, though, I’ve been getting a little annoyed with him.
Simply, I need some time to myself, and if I ask for it, it makes him sad.
For instance, I just moved out of my parents’ house and have lived in my
apartment with my cousin for less than a week. However, I’ve spent, like
90% of that time with James. Don’t get me wrong, we have a ton of fun
together. We watch movies, we make dinner, we play video games and go
places, and I have a lot of fun with him…but sometimes I feel like if he
didn’t make plans, I’d be perfectly happy sitting on my couch watching TV
and bonding with my new roommate (who I have known my whole life, but until
recently we didn’t spend a whole lot of time together socially).
When I turn down or cancel plans with James, he gets upset. He says he’s
sad, and takes it extremely personally (assuming I must be sick of him,
et cetera), which he shouldn’t — it isn’t exactly personal. I don’t dislike
spending time with him, I just need some time alone! I guess the hardest
thing about saying no to him is that I don’t necessarily have something
else to do, and it’s hard to tell him, “No, I’d rather just sit around
alone tonight.”
And forget it if I want to go out without him — about a
month ago, a very close friend who lives halfway across the country and who
I hadn’t seen in over six months came to town, and a bunch of our hometown
friends took her out to a club. I thought I made it clear that it was a
Girls’ Night, but when I told James about it, he asked if he was invited.
I felt bad ditching him on a Friday night, so I said yes but told him,
“It’s going to be all girls that you don’t know.” He said okay, but as soon
as we got to the club, he pulled me aside and said, “You aren’t going to
ditch me for your friends tonight, are you?” So I spent the night keeping
him company instead of dancing with my friend I hadn’t seen in forever, and
while I understood that he would have been all alone at the club if I
wasn’t hanging with him, I was mad because I told him what the night was
going to be like, and I think that it was unfair for him to expect me to
entertain him instead of partying with my girl. I had fun, but it wasn’t
the giggling, dancing, exciting girlie night I wanted — it was another date
night.
This issue extends to other facets of the relationship — he told me he loved
me less than a month after we got together. I told him that I was nowhere
near ready for that, and that I really cared about him but “I love you” was
a little too much. We haven’t discussed it again since then, but I feel
like he wonders why I haven’t said it. Also, it’s impossible for him to
say goodbye in under 20 minutes. He always wants to smoke one last
cigarette or get one more kiss or one more hug; it’s sweet, but enough
already! It isn’t like we’re parting for weeks! When I say I have to go
home, or to bed, I mean it, and I don’t mean it as a personal insult, I
just have other things to do — and he feels like I’m being short with him if
I leave without at least a billion kisses and hugs (same thing on the
phone — we make kissy noises when we hang up — oh God).
I suppose it’s partly my fault that our relationship has developed like
this. As I mentioned before, at the beginning I was flattered and excited
that he was so into me, and in a way, I reciprocated a lot of the behavior
I’ve described. I imagined that after a while the
sappy-sweetness I-can’t-be-without-you honeymoon phase would relax after we
got more used to each other, and while it has for me, it hasn’t for him. I
still really, really like him, and I appreciate the way he treats me, but
I’m feeling smothered. We’ve only been dating for three months, and he’s
practically living with me. It’s not that I don’t want us to be serious or
exclusive, I just need time to myself.
I’ve tried to subtly convey my concerns to him, but as I said, it’s not
like I always have other plans. I know if I just told him that I need some
time to myself he would be hurt, which makes me feel like we’re just
different people, and that we won’t be happy together. I’m sure he’d let
me have time alone, but he wouldn’t be happy about it — and I want him to be
happy. I also feel like if I complained about this, it’d be like changing
the ground rules on him — as we got to know each other, I liked being
together 24/7…is it unfair to change my mind now?
Basically, I want to be able to assume time alone. Does that make sense?
I want it to be normal if we talk but don’t necessarily see each other. Do
you think that’s selfish? I think that it’s a reasonable request, but I
know that if I talk to him and he agrees to it, he’ll really feel bad, and
tiptoe around the issue.
I guess my question is, is there any way to explain how I feel without
hurting his feelings? Do you think that I should establish how I feel by
simply saying no to plans every once in a while? Should I say no, let him
feel bad for a little while, and then just make up for it by spending a
reasonable amount of time together and showing him that I still care about
him, I just can’t do it every minute of every day? Ugh, I’m so stressed
about this, because I’m afraid that we’re just incompatible on this issue
and that it will end up breaking us up, which I don’t want. I want to be
able to relax and have a normal relationship with this fantastic (in all
other areas) guy…how do I do it?
Thanks a lot,
Feeling Smothered
Dear Smothered,
You know you have to tell him exactly what you told me; why haven’t you just done it? “Well…” Because you don’t want him to get upset and possibly break up with you, right? Look, that isn’t a dumb thing to be afraid of, but he’s up in your shit 24/7 and that’s not going to work either, so you can speak to him honestly and risk a break-up, or you can simmer silently about his failure to observe boundaries and risk a break-up that way. Wouldn’t you rather have tried to find a workable solution?
And here’s another thing: I know you don’t want to hurt his feelings, but sometimes, people’s hurt feelings are theirs and theirs alone. Feelings aren’t right are wrong, but they aren’t always reasonable, either, and if he’s that miffed that you’d want to spend one night hanging out with your girlfriends…that’s kind of his problem. You didn’t reject him, or uninvite him; you did your own thing for a few hours, and if he chooses to take that extremely personally, that’s…his choice.
He’s being a baby, and you’re permitting it. Stop doing that. It’s not unreasonable to want some time to yourself, and if he’s not a guy that can handle that, he’s probably not a good match for you. The three-month mark is when stuff like this starts to become clear, and it’s disappointing when you discover that some of the stuff you thought was kind of sweet is actually maddening, but there’s not much use pretending you can stand said stuff when in fact it’s driving you nuts. Ask for what you need; if he can’t give it to you without sulking, ankle him. A guy that insecure is not worth it.
Dear Sars,
The last year or so I’ve dated a bunch of girls, only one of whom was anything significant (two months). Most of them I didn’t find that interesting ultimately, and the few that I really did like weren’t into me. These many dates this past year — I met the girls through a mixture of online sites and just meeting people around and asking for numbers. But I’ve never been “set up” with someone before. And that is exactly what a friend of mine (let’s call her Rebecca) in school has just proposed to me.
I’m in grad school, so you should know that many of my classmates are married, including Rebecca. But here’s the thing: Rebecca and the friend who she wants to set me up with are both Orthodox Jewish. Through my Orthodox friends, I’ve learned a lot about the insulated bizarre Orthodox Jewish dating world, where almost all dating is through set-ups, and there’s a lot more pressure to break up after a couple of months if you don’t want to marry, that sort of thing, since most people marry young to start a family early. I’m a Reform/Conservative Jew — I attend services and Shabbat dinners irregularly and don’t keep kosher, but observe many holidays fully. This girl that I would be set up with observes the sabbath and keeps kosher strictly.
I do prefer to date Jewish girls, but I’ve never really dated an Orthodox girl. I really don’t know if this girl’s observance would be a problem for me, but I’m really curious and eager to try this. I asked Rebecca if she thought my lack of observance would be a problem for the girl, and Rebecca replied, “Well, is it a problem for you? Are you fine with not going out on Friday nights or Saturday afternoons?” I really don’t know. When I initially asked Rebecca how religious her friend is, she told me she was “bi,” as a way of making her seem less extreme I suppose. My last girlfriend was bisexual, so that definitely doesn’t bother me.
What it comes down to is, I’m not sure if I can accept the set-up offer. I want to, because I would like to find a nice girl to date, and I’ve had some pretty mixed luck and a little heartbreak this past year, and Rebecca seemed to think this girl and I might click. And I’ve always been for trying everything at least once (okay, most things). But I worry, if I’m not sure if I could actually have a relationship with an Orthodox girl, am I wrong to accept the offer? Would I misrepresenting myself and wasting everybody’s time? I appreciate any suggestions.
Sincerely,
Just Exploring Women
Dear Explo,
Don’t get ahead of yourself, dude. You’re talking yourself out of something you’re not even in yet; you really have no idea how it’s going to go. Maybe you’ll go out on one date, it’ll be kind of awkward and dull, and that’ll be that, but maybe you’ll have a fantastic time and forget all about the Orthodox part of it.
I know it’s a concern, but this talk of “misrepresenting” yourself…I mean, am I misrepresenting myself if I’m “not sure I could actually” date a guy with a dog? I don’t think any of us is sure we can actually have relationships with anyone until we try it and see how it goes; you have to remember that, even with the big issues like religion, things have a way of working themselves out. Or, more accurately, you’ll find a way to work them out if it’s someone you love.
But you don’t have to make that decision now, and if the time comes that you do need to make it, you’ll be able to handle it then. For now, just accept the set-up and don’t overthink it.
Dearest Sars:
I live on the first floor of my apartment building.
My rather inconsiderate upstairs neighbour recently acquired a
treadmill of all things. You can imagine how pleasant that must
sound, with the machine grinding away and a good-sized girl running
and pounding on it while singing “I Will Survive.” Yes, really.
My question is, should I say anything? She runs during reasonable
hours (never after 10 PM) and runs for about one hour. But it’s REALLY
ANNOYING. I can’t focus on anything while she’s doing it, not even
Smallville, which doesn’t require much concentration. I think I’m a
pretty understanding neighbor, I accept her occasional loud drunken
nights and sometimes she wants to blast her god-awful country music,
but the treadmill just kills me. What the hell is she thinking? Does
she realize other people live in the building? Unfortunately, I don’t
think it’s reasonable of me to tell her to stop since it’s not like
she runs on it for hours at four in the morning. And it’s not like
she’ll agree to just stop using something she probably paid a lot of
money for. Or maybe it is reasonable. I can’t tell, my judgment is
clouded by my massive dislike for her. So should I confront her
calmly, or just deal with the Richard Simmons/Gloria Gaynor combo for
an hour?
Yours Truly,
I Guess Trolls Need Exercise Too
Dear I Guess,
Well…people make noise. It’s part of apartment living, and if it’s not happening during quiet hours, it’s not really something you can get away with “confronting” her about. You can ask her to try to do it when you’re not home, but you can’t really expect her to say yes.
I work at home, and I’ve had to fight a number of writer’s blocks while a French horn is running scales across the hall. It’s really fucking annoying; it’s also 2 PM, usually, so I just get up and do chores or something I don’t have to concentrate on until the scales are over, because…French horn dude is working at home, too, and, you know, it’s the afternoon.
In other words, I’m not saying it isn’t irritating. I’m saying that she’s within the rules, and you can ask her to accommodate you, but you might just have to live with it. Tape Smallville and watch it later.
Hey Sars,
I am fifteen years old and a freshman in high school. I ask you to keep this in mind as your advice could affect the enjoyment of my next four years of school. So let me get right to my problem.
“Sally” and I have been friends since elementary school. We were closer then, kind of drifted apart in middle school, but have become closer this past school year. Keep in mind that although I love “Sally” like a sister, she is the biggest blonde in the world. She is one of the ditsiest people you will ever meet but also one of the sweetest.
Since we had become closer over the past few months I wondered whether I should buy her a Christmas present, but thankfully she brought up the subject. She asked me if I wanted to exchange presents this year and I enthusiastically responded “Yes, sure.” One night while instant messaging her, I mentioned that I had purchased her present and she questioned me about what it was for quite a while. I refused to tell her even though I informed her of the store I bought it from. She told me that she planned to go shopping at the mall in the next few days to purchase my present.
Then came the Winter Dance at my school. We went out to dinner together with our dates and two other couples. At dinner we talked about Christmas and somehow it came up that she had purchased my present. To be fair, I asked her to tell me what store mine was from and she told me. She also told me it was silver so I assume it was some kind of jewelry. She told me she was so excited to give it to me.
Over Christmas break we both were very busy, she had family over at her house and I was out of town for a few days. We never got a chance to get together. I talked to her and we agreed to bring our presents on the first day back to school. The problem is, when I got to school she had forgotten my present. I gave her hers anyway and she loved what I got her. She told me she would bring mine the next day. Well, fast forward to now and still no gift from “Sally.”
I asked my mom and she gave the whole “giving is better then receiving” speech. I don’t even really care about the present that much, but now I am getting all paranoid that maybe she doesn’t like me or think of me as a good friend, like I do her. I am also worried that if she remembers that she never gave me the present she will feel really bad because I know she was excited about it. Will she wonder why I never said anything? So this is my question, do I say nothing and risk making her feel guilty when she remembers it in the future, or do I politely mention it? Would it be rude to bring it up? Do you think she doesn’t like me or is this just her spacey personality coming out?
Some advice would be awesome,
Giftless Girl
Dear Giftless,
“Hey, whatever happened to my Christmas present? I know you were really excited about giving it to me; it’s so weird that we both forgot about it until now.”
You didn’t “both” forget about it, of course, but she doesn’t need to know that — and if she feels bad, well, maybe she can take that as a sign that she needs to leave herself more Post-It notes. I mean, it’s March. If she did in fact get you a present, hasn’t she wondered why it’s still sitting in her room?
Your other choice is to just not say anything, which means you’ll have to keep wondering and obsessing over it and taking the temperature of the friendship, when in fact, if she’s as flighty as you say, it was probably just an oversight and you can rectify it by reminding her.
Try not to make this into a bigger deal than it is.
Dear Sars,
Greetings from South Africa. I may be travelling to New Jersey just after Easter. I’ll be working some of the time, but I’ll have weekends and evenings free. Now I don’t wanna do the Lamey Lamerton stuff — I wanna do the secret stuff only locals know is cool. You seem to know your shit on the Garden State, so could you suggest some stuff?
Regards,
Tourist on tenterhooks
Dear Tourist,
I have so much “some stuff” to suggest that I’m paralyzed with indecision! Heh. Actually, it’s hard for me to know where to tell you to go without knowing where in New Jersey you’ll be based, how you’ll be getting around, what public transit you’ll be near, and so on.
You should definitely check out a Jersey diner; look for one with chrome siding and a revolving cake/pie display inside. The longer the menu and the older the waitresses, the better.
For off-the-beaten-path stuff to do and see (and I mean WAY off the beaten path), dig around Weird New Jersey’s website.
Beyond that, I don’t know quite what to tell you to do, because I don’t know if you’re outdoorsy or a foodie or into kookily pointless museums or what, but when in doubt, just ask the locals; whatever they suggest punctuated by an eye-roll is what you should check out. Have fun!
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