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The Vine: March 26, 2003

Submitted by on March 26, 2003 – 8:45 PMNo Comment

Dear Sars,

So…there’s this boy. We’ll call him “James.” And then
there’s his housemate, who shall henceforth be named
“Edward.” A while ago, Edward and I fooled around some;
this passed, and I started hanging out at James and
Edward’s house. I became good friends with both James
and Edward. And…developing a crush on James.

I don’t
believe that James knows about a) my crush on him — he
has a very thick shield of oblivion hanging around him
at all times; or about b) my hooking up with Edward. I
haven’t enlightened James about the changing state of
my feelings towards him because I’m a little stupid
(read: shy and introverted) when it comes to telling
guys that I’m interested in them, and because I’m very
unsure as to the propriety of hooking up with one
housemate and then another.

I don’t really think that the last problem is as much
of a problem anymore (length of time, lack of
seriousness on both Edward’s and my behalf), but the
telling James problem really is. Why? I could probably
work up the courage to say “I think you’re great” to
James alone, but James and Edward are NEVER out of
each other’s company. They work together, they smoke
together, they’ve known each other since they were
nine and have been friends since then. Friends
jokingly refer to them as married. James is actually
straight, so that, thankfully, is not one of my
obstacles. James’s and my work schedules collide, so I
go over and hang out after work (around 11:30 PM)
and we watch movies, gossip, and I play with their cat
while they smoke outside. Every once in while, there’s
a really nice goodnight hug between James and I, and
I flirted with him on my birthday. This stuff happens
with James and all of his female friends, however.

My question is, after all this background — how do I
approach James before the “just friends” hurdle
becomes irrevocable? Should I? If I should, how do I
do it without Edward being within twenty feet? I’d
love a little insight, o surveyor of human nature.

Thanks very much,
Directionally Challenged

Dear D.C.,

So far, you’ve taken the “I’ll just hang out and see if he makes a move, because that takes the onus off me to do anything” approach, and while it’s a time-honored one, it isn’t working for you here. There’s really only one way to play it now. You’ll have to call, or go over there, and ask to speak to James alone, and once you’ve gotten him alone, you’ll have to ask him out on a date.

Yes, that will tip your hand to both of them, but it’s that or keep waiting for a sign from James, and it’s clear that that sign ain’t coming. Sack up and ask him to a movie.

Dear Sars,

Everyone I know who is in my circle of friends has the same background. We all went to college together, and ten years later, we’re all still friends. We did some relationship-swapping (my best friend C is married to my ex-boyfriend S, while my own husband nursed a three-semesters-long crush on B), but we’re all mostly still good friends. As you can undoubtedly guess, it’s that mostly where the problem comes in.

My husband, T, was the only one of us who didn’t actually graduate (he had financial and emotional and home problems and left school after two years, so never got his degree). The rest of us did the full four tour, have our BS or BA, and some went on to get MS or PhDs. While the degrees are not particularly important, we all did have a full two-plus years together in college while T had to go out right away and work full-time. In that, he missed a lot of “stuff,” and it’s entirely likely that if he had remained in school, he’d have drifted off from our group, since his interests and the rest of the group’s don’t match up except on the very edges.

I love my husband, and I don’t want anything to happen to our relationship, but I love my friends too. My friends and I have more common interests and they are, honestly, the only friends I have. My husband has some friends from his work, and I encourage him to do things with them, since I know hanging out with my friends bores him to tears, as we all end up talking about our shared interest (he’s not interested in this hobby. Adamantly. Will not even consider trying to be interested).

This all came to a head a few months ago, when we had our yearly reunion (not all of us live in the same state anymore, so once a year we get together for a week-long party). T got really mad because I spent the week with my friends, and while we weren’t ignoring him or disincluding him, we were reminiscing a lot about things that happened after he left college (although we retold a lot of stories that he was involved in, too). We were watching some movies one day, and he stomped off into the bedroom and locked the door. Not really wanting to get into a fight with him in front of all our friends, I let him stay in there and be mad and figured we could talk it out when everyone went back to home/hotels. A few hours later he came out, screamed at me and my friends, and generally drove everyone away.

In our long talk/discussion afterwards, it came out that he believed I cared more about my friends then his feelings, that our marriage was over, and I should just go. We managed to settle things, but I had to do some scheduling things. Essentially, Tuesday through Thursdays are “spouse” days, and I’m to spend all day with him. I’m not to talk about my friends, or the hobby we share, or get online and chat with my friends. Weekends belong to my friends. (It works this way because my husband works weekends and most of my friends don’t. Which seems to be semi-lucky, at any rate.) None of my friends like my husband anymore, and they all resent this “ruling my life” thing he’s doing. I’ve tried to tell them this was the best compromise that we could come up with, but I’m now having a lot of problems with one friend who also works weekends, so I almost never get to see her anymore.

I don’t want a divorce, and I don’t want to lose my friends. I’m tense and nervous and unhappy all the time. If I complain to my husband that my friend is upset with me, he says, “Well, ditch the friend.” Likewise, I can’t say anything to my friends when my husband upsets me. I have to watch everything I say, not just for content but for “You implied this.” I’m being pulled apart like two bad-tempered children’s favorite toy, and I resent it all the way around. I’m on disability for illness, so I don’t work anymore. I’m also frightened because my husband’s boss is thinking about switching him to a weekday schedule. What will I do then, when he’s home on the days when my friends are off?

Looking at the end of her rope

Dear Knot It Around Your Husband’s Neck,

I didn’t get that much sleep last night, so I can’t come at this with the eloquence either of us might have hoped for, but…that shit is pretty fucked up. You can’t mention your friends to your husband, you can’t mention your husband to your friends, you have to hew to a schedule as strict as court-appointed visitation, and why? Because, apparently, your husband is hypersensitive, insecure, immature, and controlling.

I don’t doubt that he has other lovely qualities that make up for those things…or he did, in the past, but excuse me, “I’m to” and “I’m not to”? What the hell is that? He can’t tolerate even a mention of your friends, friends he used to share, or of a hobby you enjoy? And you tolerate his decreeing how you spend your time and with whom? Why, because you have so much in common with him these days?

Based on what you’ve told me, you probably should have “just gone” when your husband told you to, because now that he knows his drama-queen bullshit works, he’s going to keep doing it until you call his bluff…which I suggest you do, now rather than later. I don’t necessarily mean that you should pack a bag, but you should definitely stop letting him tell you where to stand, and you should definitely let him know that his idea of a “compromise” — i.e. his way or no way — is not going to cut it. The two of you need counseling, because your husband obviously has deep-seated resentments dating way back that he needs to get past, and it sounds to me like you’ve grown apart as a couple more than you’d like to admit. Well, it’s time to admit it. You said yourself that you live in a state of constant tension, and marriage isn’t a slice of pie every minute of the day, but that’s absurd.

You’ve avoided the central conflict here long enough. Face it, together, and if you can’t resolve it, it’s probably time to get a lawyer.

Sars —

I recently moved into my first condo (ah, the joys of home ownership) and am
now having my first problem with a neighbor. I should mention that the
building is a new rehab, with all new tenants and a brand new association.

For some reason, when the developer created the storage stalls for the
building, he made one significantly (well, significantly for a storage
stall, anyway) larger than the others. My problem began when one of my
neighbors saw me putting my stuff away in a standard-sized stall and asked
why I wasn’t using the jumbo stall. I was the last to move in, and didn’t
even have keys to the storage area for the first month or so I was there, so
I just took the stall that was left over. Anyway, my neighbor was under the
impression that that stall had been reserved for the smallest condo unit
(mine). I spoke with some other people in the building, and they also were
under the impression that the stall belonged with my unit. I brought it up
at the next association meeting, we took a vote on it, and everyone agreed
that the largest stall should go to the smallest unit, for a number of valid
reasons that I won’t bore you with.

A few days later, I run into the person that was using the jumbo stall (I’ll
call him “Squatter”) and ask him when we could trade spaces. He says he’s
busy, asks if we could do it in a couple of days. I say sure, no hurry, and
go on my way. Fast forward a week or so later, when Squatter emails
everyone in the building saying that he thinks the decision to give my unit
the stall is completely arbitrary and unfair, and that the developer said he
could use the stall because he was the first one to ask, and use it he would.
Um, like the developer’s decision wasn’t completely arbitrary? Once again I
speak to some of my other neighbors to get their opinion on it, and they all
say that the stall should go with my unit. One of the members of the
association board offers to talk to Squatter for me, but I stupidly decide I
should try to be a grownup and handle it myself.

The last few days have been spent sending and receiving increasingly hostile
emails regarding the matter. Squatter says that the developer said he could
use the stall, and until the developer says otherwise, he’s not budging. I
say that Squatter didn’t raise any objections when we voted on it or when I
asked him to move out, so he should stick to his word. I offered to
compromise and let him use the stall until he moves out, at which time it
goes to the smallest unit. He basically told me where I could stick my
compromise.

I spoke today with the developer, and his position, of course, is that he
wants to stay out of it. He said that he did give Squatter permission to use
the stall because he was the first one to ask, but that the association
could vote on the matter if it wants. Somehow I don’t think that’s going to
be definitive enough for Squatter.

Should I pursue this further? Do I have a valid point
that if the association says the stall belongs to my unit, it belongs to my
unit? Or does the Squatter have a stronger case with his assertion that the
developer said he could have it? He didn’t pay any extra for the privilege,
so I don’t feel as if I’m taking anything away from him. I would drop it
just to keep good will, but there is absolutely no chance of any good will
between us after this, and frankly, after the way he’s insulted me through
his emails and rejected what I feel is a perfectly reasonable compromise, I
no longer feel any need to compromise with the bastard.

Fed Up

Dear Fed,

I can’t really answer that without knowing how much respective weight the association and the developer carry in re: the final word on these decisions. It sounds to me like, if the association voted on it, that’s that and Squatter needs to move his shit and shut up, but if that’s not the case and the developer’s word is the law, then that’s that and you take the smaller stall.

Find out who has to obey whom and abide by the decision of that party, but either way, I would suggest 1) letting the head of the association handle it from here on out, to reduce your exposure to Squatter, and 2) giving serious consideration to just letting it go. You didn’t think you had the bigger stall in the first place, so think about how embroiled you want to get in a fight over something that, let’s face it, you didn’t want nearly as much until someone told you you couldn’t have it.

So. I’m 24. After feeling frustrated for a few years by my lack of motivation, I came to a huge realization yesterday — I want desperately to achieve something, yet my behavior patterns involve pushing away any possibility of achievement or success. I am proud of myself for realizing this, but it is also scary to know that I have mental habits that are confining me like this. I think a therapist would be of great help, but I can’t afford it and my health insurance won’t cover it.

So, my question to you is, how can I break my habit of thinking I’m mediocre and can’t handle or achieve success, and do it on my own? Would daily affirmations a la Stuart Smalley be completely ridiculous? It sounds like the biggest BS to me, but maybe there’s something worthwhile there. Thanks so much for any ideas.

Time To Get Over Myself!

Dear Time,

I don’t quite see what the question is here. What behavior patterns? What mental habits? What do you want to achieve, exactly? Your letter is way too vague for me to help you in any meaningful way.

Daily affirmations work for some people, but in your case, I’d start by recognizing your tendency to avoid and/or fear success and the responsibility that comes with it, and trying to make decisions in your life that counteract that tendency. Sorry if that’s boilerplate, but you’ve given me nothing to work with.

Sars —

I have a problem similar to Latebloomer’s.
I’m eighteen, and I don’t know how to kiss. Really.

When I was thirteen and fourteen, my friends would usually set me up
with one of their boyfriends’ buddies and we’d all head to the movies.
Of course I wasn’t too interested in some random guy, and he wasn’t too
interested in me, so we’d sit in the back row and start making out. I’d
get nervous every time a guy tried to get his tongue into my mouth, so
I’d start laughing. It made him self-conscious and attracted a little
too much attention from the ushers, and we’d just skip the kissing and
move along to feeling each other up. It was lame, and by the time I was
fifteen, I was tired of being the automatic solution to every guy’s shy
best friend. I voluntarily removed myself from the dating pool, and
didn’t get back to it until I was seventeen. I floated through a few
polite dates with guys who just didn’t click, took a friend to the prom,
and graduated.

Now here I am in college. There are plenty of parties where I could
practice making out, of course, but the problem is, I still laugh as soon
as someone wants to involve tongue. I can’t help it. It’s awkward,
since I don’t have much experience, and I don’t find it sexy at all. So
what do I do? It’s easy enough to tell a random hook-up that I’m not
into kissing, but I’d really like to have a relationship with someone,
and I can’t go through my whole life avoiding the French kiss.

Should I
explain the whole story of how I never learned to kiss? And should I
just do it anyway, even though I don’t like it? It’s a little hard to
ask my friends about this, so I need another opinion.

Thanks,
Never Been Kissed

Dear Never,

I had a real job not bursting out laughing during my first kiss, for a lot of reasons, and the fact is that a lot of people have weird kissing tics and, you know, it’s a pretty funny concept if you think about it.

I think the trick is to try not to think about it, if that makes sense. Just…do it. If you start laughing, who cares? You can explain yourself, or you can say that you just thought of something funny and he shouldn’t take it personally, whatever, but eventually you’ll come across a guy who knows what he’s doing in the kissing department and you’ll forget all about laughing.

But start doing it before it becomes a full-blown neurosis. Practice. See what you find. So a few guys call you That Laughing Girl. Big deal.

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