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The Vine: May 2, 2003

Submitted by on May 2, 2003 – 7:05 PMNo Comment

I know you are going to get a million e-mails on this, but…

The Bridezilla letter in The Vine was wrong re: shower invitations etiquette. According to every source I’ve seen, it’s fine to put registry information in shower invitations, because the whole point of a shower is to get gifts. To try to make it look like you’re not expecting gifts is silly — that’s the whole point of a shower. You are showered with gifts. It’s a whole different story with a wedding — as you know, people should attend your wedding and/or reception because they want to share in your joy and show support for your marriage, and no gift is required.

Anyway, I know that wasn’t even the point of the letter. From my recent experience, I think many brides are really sensitive about being a bridezilla. It’s possible the maid of honor was sort of kidding. If the bride is close enough to Cindy to make her the maid of honor, she should be close enough to her to say, “Look, I’m really stressed out about this wedding planning, so I’m sorry if I’m being difficult. I don’t want to be, and I didn’t think I was. Let’s talk about it.” Which is basically the advice you gave, so I’ll shut up now.

Kim

Dear Kim,

I don’t think it even registered with me (so to speak) that the invitations in question were for the shower and not the wedding itself — and yes, as far as I know, it’s SOP to include registry information in shower invitations. Thanks for the clarification.

But I think it’s also okay for the bride not to want to do that. The majority of the guests won’t attend the shower, and will have to make discreet inquiries as to the registry anyway, so if Bridezilla doesn’t feel comfortable enclosing a card with the invitations…I don’t know. The point, as you said, isn’t so much the etiquette as it is that Cindy needs to back it up a bit.

Hey Sars,

I’ll get right to the point. My lifelong friend, who we’ll call “Anna,” just got a divorce from “Jack.” About a year ago, Jack woke up one day and told Anna that he had never “really” loved her and that he wanted a divorce. Anna obviously was crushed, and tried to get Jack to work through their problems. He didn’t want to work on their problems, he just wanted out. So, many tortured months later, Jack and Anna divorce.

Anna has developed a solid hatred for Jack, but still wants an explanation as to why he left her. She doesn’t think that the lack of love and “I just want different things” to be enough explanation. Anna’s self-esteem took a big big hit, and she is having a very hard time dealing with the divorce.

Now here’s my problem. I recently learned from another friend in our combined social circle, who we will call “Gary,” that Jack was having an affair for possibly six months before he left Anna. Jack is now living with the girlfriend; we’ll call her “Maria.” I was told by a separate friend months ago that Jack was seen at a party flirting with and possibly kissing Maria. When I started asking around if Jack did have a fling with Maria, all my sources said that it wasn’t true, so I didn’t tell Anna that I had some suspicions that Jack was cheating. Gary has said that he feels as though he should tell Anna everything. But I am still torn…

So these are my questions:

1. Do I tell Anna now that I KNOW that Jack was cheating on her?
2. Do I tell Anna everything? That I had heard the earlier rumor about Jack and Maria, or just say that Jack was
cheating and leave it at that?
3. Or do I keep my mouth shut and let Gary do the dirty work?

Signed,
Spinning in Social Circles

Dear Spin,

I feel like I answered the same letter yesterday…but the situation’s a bit different, and you’ll get a completely different answer. Don’t say anything.

Based on the non-reasons Jack gave for wanting to split up, yes, he probably had something going on the side — but you don’t have any first-hand knowledge of that. You didn’t see Jack with Maria at that party, and the first you heard that he might have stepped on Anna with Maria came from Gary — besides which, your “sources” all say it isn’t true. I don’t know if you consider these sources reliable, or how many degrees of separation “told by a separate friend months ago that Jack was seen” consists of, but if you want to give Anna information that upsetting, you’d better get stronger evidence than that.

It’s good of you to want to help Anna get closure on the marriage, but I don’t think hitting her with a list of Simone-in-Ferris Bueller tertiary sources is going to accomplish that. You have the option to stay out of this. Take it.

Dear Sars —

I value your advice greatly, so I thought I’d toss this
across your plate. Two nights ago, this kick-ass guy I
had been seeing for a little while — we’ll call him
RedFox (a codename he actually came up with for
himself when we were trying to thwart the gate system
of my apartment complex. Codenames were his idea — can
you stand him? He’s fabulous!) — and I somewhat
mutually decided we are no longer going to be involved
romantically. There really wasn’t a great deal of room
for negotiation on that point, since one of us wants a
relationship and one of us doesn’t…I’ll let you sort
out who belongs to each side. Positive spin: we still
like the hell out of each other and plan to keep
hanging out as friends (though I asked for a few weeks
to get a little space and crying time).

So what’s my problem? Heh — many things, but the
specific problem here relates to a birthday present I
had planned to buy him whilst we were still strange
bedfellows. His birthday is in a couple of months, and I had
already started the (rather arduous) process of
scouring the globe for the complete audio recording of
The Chronicles of Narnia. It was something we talked
about when we first met — I had been in the play twice,
and he used to listen to the tapes as a kid with his
father. The topic came up several more times in
passing since, and he has rather wistfully mentioned
each time that he wished he still had a set of the
tapes. Soooo…would it be too weird for me to go
ahead and get them for him anyway? It looks like I’ll
have to order them from the UK, which I don’t mind,
and they’ll probably run me around $65 or so, which I
don’t mind either. But is it too much, too big, et cetera,
since we are just merging into the friendship lane
after taking the nearest exit off the Romance
Expressway? I’m honestly not trying to win his heart
or anything with it…sometimes I really like to give
people gifts I know they’ll totally dig and wouldn’t
ever buy for themselves.

Thanks — you rock the llama.

Short Bus Betsy

Dear Bets,

Weirdly, I just watched the episode of Felicity last night where Noel is still in love with her, but she’s with Ben, but Noel’s graduating, so she tracks down this book he really wanted back in the day, and he’s all “I can’t take it” because it’ll remind him of her and how he loves her and can’t have her, and she’s all hurt that he can’t accept the token of their friendship and blah dee blah.

Your situation isn’t exactly analogous (did I even spell that right?), but gift-giving in, around, or anywhere near a romantic relationship is a complicated business, especially after the “romantic” part is over — you have all the knowledge required to get him an insightful, thoughtful gift, but on the other hand, it’s kind of not your job to do that anymore.

If only a book existed that formally codified the rules in these situations…hmm. Note to self: write book formally codifying rules in these situations. Okay, here’s a little advice to hold you until that gets published — the gift you have in mind is fairly personal, expensive, and difficult to track down, but not so wildly so that it would seem to cross any lines. If you don’t think RedFox will feel uncomfortable with such a gift, or if you don’t mind if he does, go with your generous instincts.

Sars —

I can’t believe I may have something for The Vine!

Please offer your seasoned perspective: I’ve started up an email friendship
with my ex-boyfriend recently. Let’s call him “Q.” Nice kid; we never had
anything spectacular, we only dated for a couple of months five years ago,
not-even-a-blip-on-my-emotional-radar-today-cakes. Currently involved with
Love Of My Life for four-plus years. Q and I live in different cities; he
sought me out a few months ago and we started emailing once a week or so.
My life has hit a rough patch due to my parents’ upcoming divorce, and Q’s
emails have actually been able to offer a unique perspective that my other
friends and LoML don’t. It helps me out to email him, and I think we will be
progressing to the “talk on the phone” or “possibly visit while in town”
kind of friendship. Can you see where this is going? It’s not.

When Q and I parted ways amicably several years ago, he was accused of
raping a then-friend of mine, in my apartment, at a party of mine. Let’s
call her “H.” H and I were not great friends, and therefore she never told
me directly about the alleged rape — I found out from a mutual friend, let’s
call her “T.” The secondhand story from T was that H was sleeping on the
floor with several other people, fell asleep to Q pawing at her, and woke up
with her pants and underwear around her ankles. Not really why she was sure
she thought she was raped.

T believed her, but I always had my doubts: Q and H used to date rather
seriously (which I always was fine with); H was still attracted to Q, but
had a boyfriend at the time; and H could be a drama queen. Plus we were all
rather seriously drunk, and there were at least five other people in the
room sleeping with them who heard nothing! I don’t believe T or H have ever
confronted Q about this, and I think Q and H still keep in touch
occasionally. Q, H, and T both moved out of town shortly thereafter, and I
have only recently heard from just Q.

I am definitely creeped out to think that someone I dated, or am friends
with, would be a rapist, but strongly have my doubts that he is. I have
zero desire to pursue a relationship with him, and would like to have a
friendship — but not if he’s a rapist! I really really want to ask him about
this — get his side of the story — but for all I know she made it up to get
attention (which she did get) and never told him about it. Bringing it up
to him could really hurt him if he didn’t know and it isn’t true. What
should I do? Be friends with him even though he’s a possible rapist? Say
something to see if he comes clean? Have a big bowl of
let-bygones-be-bygones?

Thanks in advance for the Sars-riffic advice.

BTW, I’ve been following your writing since your Smoking Section days, and just
read the book Fucked Companies by Philip J. Kaplan. He mentioned that he
also worked for/with Adam Curry and I wondered if you knew or met each other,
seeing as how you’re both funny as shit.

Not A Stalker, Just Observant

Dear Stalk,

I don’t remember a Philip Kaplan, but that was a pretty long time ago, and I wrote for the Metaverse freelance so I didn’t spend a lot of time in the office. I did meet Curry a few times, though; he’s very nice and hella tall.

Okay, back to Q. See the letter two above yours — without getting into whether Q “could have” raped H or how that would relate to/affect your friendship with Q, the fact is that you don’t know anything first-hand. You know what T told you. H never shared the story with you; Q hasn’t brought it up. If you truly can’t abide the idea of continuing contact with Q if he did in fact sexually assault H, you can either ask him point-blank what happened or stop talking to him, but that seems a little drama-queeny in and of itself — and he’s going to deny raping H whether he did it or not, don’t you think?

Decide for yourself to believe one thing or the other, and act accordingly.

I hope you can give me some ideas of what to do.

The background: I am an observant (albeit liberal) Jew. This means, among
other things, that I follow the dietary regulations, pray three times a day,
and take seriously my religious and spiritual obligations, according to my
best understanding of Jewish law. I have a friend who, like me, grew up in a
moderately observant household (I am more observant than my parents, or than
hers), and when we about 16, we swore that if we ever had children and died,
we would want the other person to raise our kids.

Well, last year, we turned 38, and this year, my friend died, very
unexpectedly. This is all a huge shock, but the biggest shock of all was
that in her will, she named me the guardian of her two children. She wrote
me a letter, which I will tell you more about in a little bit, but the first
thing she did in it was to remind me of that promise we made when we were
16.

In the 22 intervening years, she met a Muslim man. Despite their
reservations about this particular brand of intermarriage, they eventually
fell in love. In an attempt to resolve the religious differences, they each
studied the other’s religion. While they both found things to admire in the
other’s faith, neither was really willing to convert. When they decided to
marry in spite of this, they ran into the problem that there are virtually
no rabbis in the U.S. who will perform mixed marriages, so they could not be
married in a religious Jewish ceremony. However, he could marry her under
Islamic law, so they had a Muslim wedding.

Now to do this, she had to agree that their children would be raised as
Muslims. (I gather that under Islamic law, children get their religion from
their father. Under Jewish law, their religion comes from their mother, and
she was a practicing Jew until she died, so according to Jewish law, these
are Jewish children.) Anyway, they had two beautiful little boys and were
raising them as Muslims. Their father died three years ago, and since then,
his family has been responsible for the boys’ religious training. Their
spiritual advisor and her rabbi worked out some kind of arrangements
regarding food so that they could all eat in their home. I do not know the
details, but I do know that she kept a glat kosher kitchen, but helped her
sons observe (in age-appropriate ways) their obligations under Islamic law.
Let me be absolutely clear about this: I myself do not know enough about
Islam to know what these obligations are.

So here is my situation. My lifelong friend has just died, and has left me
(without my prior knowledge) the guardianship of her children, as well as
the trusteeship of their trust. The boys (aged 8 and 14) are currently
staying with her MIL, but there is a court date next month to determine
guardianship. I have known these children their whole lives, and they have
been a part of my extended family celebrations (for example, they and their
mother were generally guests at our Seder). However, it is a huge issue for
me to bring these children into my home. I have two daughters (aged four and six)
and a husband, and we have a very Jewish lifestyle. I am completely ignorant
of Islam, except for what I have gathered over the years from my friend.

My lawyer assures me that if I do not agree to this guardianship, the court
will make another disposition for the boys. Which brings me to the letter.
My friend wrote 12 pages about why she did this to me. She specifically does
not want either set of grandparents to have custody, even though all four
are in excellent health and would love to have the boys. Her fear was that
if her in-laws got them, they would be exposed to anti-Jewish sentiments.
And if her parents got them, they would decide that since the boys are
Jewish according to Jewish law, they should be raised as Jews. And she
faithfully promised to raise them as Muslims.

But I cannot see how introducing Muslim children into my very observant
Jewish household is going to work well for them or for us. I am not nearly
educated enough, and with the oldest boy being 14, I don’t have time to get
educated enough, to support this dual religion home. And while I loved my
friend and was fond enough of her husband, I don’t want my daughters to grow
up thinking that intermarriage is a run-of-the-mill normal thing to do. (I
am not saying it is bad, but I think it is difficult, dangerous, and much
more trouble than people think when they start out. While I would never
reject my children for marrying out, or for being gay, or for losing their
faith, I want them to have life as easy as possible, and I do not think that
marrying out is the easiest choice to live with integrity. My bias, I know.)

I’m all over my friend’s desire to place her children where they will be
loved and where both sides of their heritage will be respected. But I am so
afraid I am not the right person to raise Muslim boys. And I am so not the
right person to take on both sets of grandparents in what the last couple
weeks have convinced me will be continuous battles. And I want her wishes to
be respected. I want these boys to be raised as Muslims, even though my own
religious sensibilities say they are Jewish children. But their parents
decided otherwise and this is not my decision, and I just don’t know what to
do.

My husband, by the way, says that he will support whatever decision I make.
He is very fond of her kids, and is willing to welcome them into our home.
But he won’t help me make the decision beyond that.

Got any ideas?

Woman of the Book (but not the Koran, the other book)

Dear Book,

I don’t wish to sound insensitive or to disrespect your friend’s memory, but there’s a lot here that I don’t understand, starting with the circumstances surrounding her death. Again, forgive me, but if she died unexpectedly, then what’s with the long letter? And if she didn’t die unexpectedly — if she had terminal cancer, for example — and she had time to compose a long letter regarding her wishes for the children and their upbringing, then why on earth didn’t she tell you that she planned to leave you in charge of them? None of us is a perfect person, and if she did in fact have to arrange for her children in addition to preparing for her own death, well, I can’t say I’d have the best organizational skills in the world under those circumstances either. But that is…well, it’s bizarre.

In any case, you can’t ask her now; you have to figure something out, and she’s made it nearly impossible given her various provisions, but I think you can simplify the situation emotionally speaking by focusing on the children themselves and what’s best for them. Leave the legalities out of it for now, and try if you can to put aside your own beliefs. What do the children want? Have you spoken to them about it? If she’d left a five- and a two-year-old behind, you’d have to decide for them, but at ages eight and fourteen, they’re old enough to express a preference in some direction. And have you spoken to the sets of grandparents? I don’t mean in a lawyer’s office; have you all sat around with mugs of tea and talked things out, gotten everyone’s wishes out in the open, tried to reach a concensus without the intercession of social workers and whatnot?

Your first task is to get all the adults together for an informal, off-the-record air-clearing. Take notes; tape it if you want. Ask each adult what he or she wants and has planned for the kids; encourage them to speak honestly, even if they think it might hurt their chances. Talk about everything — religious instruction, whether the kids get their own rooms, schooling, what happens if the grandparents fall ill, all of it. Next, talk to the kids themselves. Where would they feel the most comfortable, and why? Do that away from the other adults so that they’ll talk frankly to you. Finally, talk to your own family about what it would mean if the boys came to live with you — emotionally, spiritually, legally, whatever.

But in the end, I don’t think the boys should come to live with you. I know you want to respect your friend’s wishes, but I think they should go with family, not because of any religious preference but because for them not to is confusing at best — for them. If you take them in, I don’t doubt that you’ll provide love and support for them, but it puts you in an adversarial position against their grandparents and pits their grandparents against each other and so on, for which they may blame themselves, and those kids don’t need any more grief in their lives.

I can’t speak the legalities here, or to the ins and outs of religious observance for either Islam or Judaism, but I think you should try to leave both of those things aside for now and identify the environment that will cause the boys the least anxiety and upheaval and precipitate the smallest amount of antagonism among the prospective guardians, and then I think you should do everything you can to place them in that environment. However muddled her way of saying so, that’s really what your friend wanted and trusted you to do for them, whether they wind up living with you or not. Find a way to bring everyone involved together on that.

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