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Dear Sars,

Here’s one that you’ve never answered: what should I do with my journals?

I have a bunch that I’ve written in for the past decade and was storing them in the basement. I decided to go through them today to see if there’s anything worth saving and then shred the rest (or, likely, all of it). But…I don’t know, some of it was interesting to me and surprising so many years later. In the end, I really didn’t want to shred them.

I guess my major concern is that they’re going to be read when I die. Which, hey, I’m dead, who cares? But I worry whoever is reading it will a) think I was nuts (it’s my feelings/experiences plus bad poetry, To Do lists, writing one funny thing a day, venting a lot of vicious anger whose origins were unknown, etc.), or b) be really hurt if I ever wrote something mean about them.

I’m thinking of storing them in the basement again but including some sort of disclaimer on top not to take any of it too seriously in the case of postmortem perusal. What do you think?

Journally

Dear Journally,

I have a bunch of past journals stashed in various places, and I’ve had the same thought about them from time to time — or wished some sort of mechanism existed for vaporizing them instantaneously upon my death.

In the absence of such a sci-fi solution, what you do depends on how much time and energy you want to devote to journal security.You can put them all in a safe-deposit box or a locked fireproof safe of some sort, then leave instructions in your will that, when you die, the executor is not to handle them without witnesses present and said witnesses must ensure that s/he shreds the journals without reading them.You can also scan key pages that you think you might benefit from reading later, and encrypt or password-protect them on a thumb drive that you bury in a public park on the night of the new moon…you see what I’m getting at.Unless the journals contain soap-opera-twist-level information, you only want to spend so much of your time among the living worrying about their perimeter.

I think you have to make a command decision to trust anyone who might read them after your death to understand that it’s just venting — or trust your heirs/assigns/whatever to dispose of them without reading them, for their own sanity.

But your best bet is probably to razor out the pages you’d like to refer back to; keep them in a blandly labeled file folder that’s likely to get tossed without comment if you’re not around to supervise; and shred the rest.

Sars,

I have an etiquette/personal property situation to which I absolutely do not know how to respond. I am hoping you’d have some wisdom to share.

I have a magnificent life with a group of fabulous friends in City A. Prominent in this group is one of my very best friends ever, M, and his live-in girlfriend C. M is one of those people who goes out of his way to be helpful, considerate and generous with other people, and has always been right there for me during times of struggle. C is somewhat less enthusiastically altruistic, but she is also wonderful and kind and giving.

In the last couple of years, I fell in love with an old friend who lived in City B about 2000 miles away, got married and moved there.After awhile, it became apparent that new hubby was a douchenozzle, it was impossible to find employment/financial solvency in City B, and I was miserable and isolated away from my life in City A.

Then douchenozzle hubby made alternate living arrangements that left me with nowhere to go, so I left 99% of my belongings behind, packed up my kid and my cat in my compact car and returned to City A with almost nothing.I managed to get both a job and an apartment, but the job is part-time with a medium-low wage, and I had a waiting period before the lease started where I was couch-surfing with friends.

M and C have another friend, R, who was at the same time in a romantic situation that was far more tragic than mine. Her situation was causing her to move from City A to City C, and she had a lot of household belongings she did not need or want to take.She heard about my situation from them and decided she wanted me to have anything I needed or wanted from this collection.This ended up including a very nice chair, an ornate floor lamp, a desk, some other smaller furniture items and a bunch of kitchen goods.

Because the start of my lease happened a few weeks after her departure, all of these things went temporarily to M and C’s storage space.When we moved them into storage she seemed very excited to be giving these things to me, knowing they’d be helping someone who really needed it.

My lease started a few days ago, and M helped me move all these things from storage.When he got the furniture to load, he brought out the desk and nothing else.I inquired about the chair, the lamp, the other items and he simply said, “Oh, C decided she wants to keep those.” I was so stunned that I didn’t say anything, and only the desk and kitchen stuff was moved to my apartment.

Now, however, I’m annoyed and upset.M and C are a DINK household, and while they aren’t rich, they aren’t living off of a single crappy-paying part-time job and sporadic child support either. They can afford to purchase their own chairs and lamps, while I now have an apartment with no seating and no way to buy any until I land a better job (and yes, I’m applying to things like mad).

I do not know if at some point outside of my presence R gave them a green light to keep anything she was giving away above and beyond anyone else, but I do know that when I was around her, she was quite clear that she believed those items were being given directly to me.

Do I just shut it and be grateful for all the help and things I did get, or should I be asking for/demanding the chair/lamp/other stuff?How do I go about doing so without seeming petty, ungrateful or rude to such good friends who usually are my greatest help?

Sure, go ahead, take that candy from that baby

PS I do not have means of contacting R directly without asking M and C for her information.

Dear Candy,

You’ve got a twofold question here: whether you should have gotten the furniture; and, if you in fact should have, how to get it now.You feel that you can’t ask R directly, which I don’t think is true; you could always let them think that you just want to thank R for her generosity (which you should probably do anyway), but I can see how going straight to R without letting M/C address the disparity first might feel like tattling.

Your best bet, I think, is to ask M and C for R’s contact info, while opening the door for them to clear up the confusion:

“Can I get R’s phone number or email from you?…Well, I’m puzzled about the furniture situation.It’s totally possible that I misunderstood R, but I was actually under the impression that R meant for me to have that chair, as well as some of the other stuff.I haven’t talked to R, so I don’t know if she changed her mind — what was your understanding of the situation?Because I’m not trying to cause a problem, but I have nowhere to sit right now, so before I go out and buy a chair, I’d just like to know what the deal is there.”

Say it as pleasantly as possible, and then do not say anything else.Do not give in to the urge to let them off the hook; do not pass any snarky comments about how their household “doesn’t need” that stuff or “could buy their own,” because while this may be true, the fact that other people’s household income exceeds yours does not entitle you to anything.

The issue is whether R is lending you the furniture, and if she is, why C box-blocked you and took it.So, you want to take a tone of gentle confusion…and then you want to sit without speaking, and not talk yourself out of what you want.Leave the DINK stuff out of it — just state your understanding of the situation and let M and C address it.

If you can keep it pleasant and concise, he may talk themselves into turning over the furniture, but if not, then you have to decide whether to involve R.I wouldn’t, myself, especially if more than a week or two has passed, because it’s a favor, not a signed contract, and pressing the point would only cause hard feelings.

But you might as well call M and C on it now, to the extent that you feel comfortable — and in the future, make a note to plant the flag at the time, when these things happen.And maybe to remember that C is a mite shady.

Hi Sars,

I have a combination family politics/wedding etiquette question.I need to give you some background, apologies for length.

My partner and I have been together four years.When we started dating he was not out to his parents (at 47!) and insisted he would never tell them.As we got serious, he realized he would have to come out if we were ever to have a future.So, he did and all seemed okay at first, in fact, Partner’s dad told him he had known for years.They consented to meet me, and we had a couple of slightly awkward dinners, but overall we got along pretty well and things seemed okay.

Fast forward a few months to dinner at Partner’s parents’ house and I am to meet Partner’s brother for the first time. My partner did not come out to him in advance or prepare him for my presence at all.He comes out to Brother by saying, “[Brother], this is my boyfriend, [my name].” (And he got an earful about this tactlessness later on, believe me).

Anyway, major drama ensues.Brother storms out of the house and no one can get him to come back inside.Eventually we eat without him, and he drives home alone, even leaving his wife behind with no transportation home!My partner and I have not seen or spoken to him in over two years now.Hell, I couldn’t pick him out of a police lineup, I only saw him for that five minutes before he stormed out.

A month or so after this is another family occasion, and Partner hosts at his house.Brother does not come.When Partner’s father arrives, he seems to be in a bad mood and clearly doesn’t want to be there, but claims he is “sick” so we don’t think too much of it.I made an unforgiveable slip of the tongue during dinner and called my partner “hon.”That was apparently just disgusting to dear old Dad.He slams his spoon down, says he just can’t do this, and storms out of the house.That’s the last time I ever saw him.

Since then, both Partner’s father and brother refuse to see or speak to me.When we want to see his family, we have some combination of his mother, sister-in-law, niece (brother’s daughter), and niece’s boyfriend (now her fiancé).All of them are perfectly lovely people.I think his mom is still uncomfortable with having a gay son, but she tries and she seems to genuinely care about me, if not quite think of me as an actual son-in-law.Sister-in-law, niece, and niece’s fiancé are all open-minded and perfectly accepting.

However, we know there are other family gatherings with Father and Brother that we are not invited to.Or, more accurately, it’s made clear that Partner can come on his own, but I am not welcome.Of course Partner refuses to accept such an invitation and this has been going on for years now.

Can you see where this is going?Niece and boyfriend just got engaged.I am certain Father and Brother will threaten to boycott the ceremony if I am included. Niece and niece’s fiancé have long insisted that they want us to be at the wedding, but that was in the hypothetical.As the date comes closer, when she’s a stressed bride with her father and grandfather trying to emotionally blackmail her I’m not sure she’ll be able to stick it out, and I’m not sure its even fair to ask that of her.I would love to go, but bottom line she deserves a great wedding and I don’t want to be the reason it gets ruined.(I know, I’m not really the problem here, but you get what I’m saying.)

Formal invitations haven’t gone out yet, but they will soon.Should I just accept the invitation and say the hell with them, since that’s what she says she wants?Should I bow out in advance, tell her not to invite me? Accept the invitation for now, but give her an out, tell her I will understand if she has to un-invite me later on?Other suggestion?

Homophobes Suck

Dear Agreed,

It’s hard to know where to draw the line between behaving graciously and avoiding situations you know will make you uncomfortable — particularly in cases like this, where the discomfort is caused by the bigotry, and resulting childish behavior, of others.

I doubt I have to tell you that, regardless of what you decide to do, and/or what decisions Niece makes, Father and Brother will not have a cinematic Very Special moment where they finally figure out how to act right, so your focus should stay on what will make you, Partner, and Niece the happiest.

Discuss it with Partner, which I’m sure you’ve already started doing, and tell him, you know, your family isn’t going to Get It, so with that understanding, what’s your ideal scenario here — and what do you think Niece is going to do in terms of bowing to familial pressure to shun you?

Then think about how you want to spend that day.Yes, Niece wants you there, and may very well stick to her guns on that point — as she should, because WTF, people — but if it’s going to escalate the drama, at the wedding or afterwards or both, do you or Partner want to deal with that?Not that it’s your fault, either way; none of it is — but the entire situation clearly causes aggro, and if not attending means that that doesn’t increase for you guys, maybe that’s an option.

But you can’t manage everyone in the situation; you can only manage yourself and Partner, and show good manners.If you want to go, go; if the family wants to raise hell over it, you can jump off that bridge when you get to it, but maybe someone in that den of dipshits is finally going to take a stand on Father and Brother being not just homophobic but rude and self-centered as well.Might as well give Niece a chance (…hee) to force the issue.

But if it doesn’t go your way in whatever fashion, keep in mind that at least you cared enough about trying to keep the peace to write this letter.Some of your in-laws are buttnuts; don’t make that anyone’s fault but theirs.

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  • JenK says:

    What great timing–I recently moved a thousand miles across the country, and today I unpacked a box that I thought contained stationery (but which the packers inexplicably labeled “photographs”). After I got through a few boxes of generic birthday/get well/sympathy cards, I found all of my angsty college journals! They’re sitting on a bookshelf in the living room, and I’ve been staring at them all afternoon because I don’t know what to do with them. I definitely don’t want them out in the open like this, but that thought sort of makes me feel like a teenager putting a lock on her diary and hiding it under her mattress. I’m thirty, not thirteen!

    I flipped through one and had to stop after about a page and a half. It chronicles an engagement that ended horribly, contains the word “fuck” far more than is necessary, and calls my now-mother-in-law a bitch several times. Then I looked at my two-year-old daughter and almost chucked it on the spot. I’d hate for my girls or even MIL to end up reading that (but MIL sort of opened the door when she called my pastor behind my back and hysterically begged him to talk us out of it and then refused to look up and watch the ceremony at all).

    Man. Still don’t know what to do with those. I never read them myself, and I don’t want anyone else to read them, but it sort of feels like cutting off my little toe and throwing it away–it doesn’t seem all that useful, but it’s still nice to have, you know?

  • Lee says:

    While I normally agree with Sars, I disagree with the advice given to Candy regarding the furniture. I think you should be pretty thankful for all the stuff you did get (for free) instead of focusing on the items you didn’t receive in the end.
    Ask yourself this, would you have said no to the stuff if initially there was no chair or lamp included?
    If M & C had not spoken to R and mentioned your situation, then you wouldn’t have gotten anything. So you should not only be thankful to R, but thankful to M & C for making it happen in the first place. And they helped by storing everything in the interim for you too.
    This does not at all excuse the crappy behaviour of C. In no way do I think she is justified in claiming anything she ended up taking a liking to. But keep in mind that these people have been good friends and very helpful to you over the course of many years. So why would you want to pick an argument and create an issue over this.
    I say suck it up and realise that you had two wins here. Firstly, you got a bunch of stuff to help you out for free from effectively a stranger. And secondly, you learnt a bit more about C’s character and you now know that she is definitely shady and can’t be trusted.

  • Jacq says:

    I have only ever thrown away one journal – a diary I kept for my first year of university. I regret getting rid of it to this day (13 years later). It doesn’t matter what you wrote back then – it’s who you were at the time and it’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’ve kept all my journals since then, even the dark and grim ones from a bad bout of depression a few years back.

    If the idea of other people reading your innermost thoughts fills you with complete horror, burn the journals and be done with it. I would think, though, that this is the kind of stuff that your grandchildren will absolutely love to find in 50 years’ time – the real meat and bones of a family member, and the context within which to place the person they know or knew.

    Plus, I’m a fairly private person and don’t talk about my feelings much with anybody, so I plan to pluck stuff from my journals as material for a novel I’m planning, safe in the knowledge that nobody will know it’s about me!

  • Vanessa says:

    Dear Homophobes Suck,

    You have done nothing wrong. The people who behave the worst do not deserve to get off easy because they are acting like asswipes. You and your partner both deserve to be angry at the situation created by someone you have no control over. You care a bunch for the niece/sister-in-law/future nephew-in-law and don’t want to make the situation harder for them, but you haven’t done anything to make it hard for them other than existing in world.

    As a woman in a long term relationship with a woman whose sister won’t talk to us, I have to say, stick up for yourselves and your relationship with Niece. Expect to be invited and to attend. Niece can act like an adult and probably will. All the suggestions of alternatives to attending the wedding suck. I’m sorry, but the idea that people can be hateful and get rewarded while you think you deserve something that is less is what leads to the perpetuation of the hateful attitudes.

    In our case, the sister who doesn’t speak to us is the one who stopped speaking to the rest of the family. And it made the rest of both of our families see how awful the attitude was.

  • julie says:

    Dear Suck,

    I’m for you AND your partner gracefully offering to bow out. Why does anyone want to go to a wedding? To wish the couple well. Can you do this if you are standing at the reception looking over your shoulder at all the people glaring at you? Can the bride accept your good wishes while awaiting the fireworks? I think you and your partner should call the bride, offer to bow out, and invite her over to your house for a lovely dinner party to take place either soon before or soon after the wedding. It’ll be like a second mini-reception. You’re not “letting the homophobes win,” you’re protecting yourselves and the bride and groom from having to deal with ugliness, and depriving the bigots of the pleasure of snubbing you in public. Your partner’s presence will be missed, serving only to underline the fact that his father and brother’s bigotry drove him away. And I bet your party will be better than the reception. And the bride will probably be so grateful to be relieved of the burden of having to “choose” that she will start crying in gratitude when you propose this.

  • MattPatt says:

    I have to agree with @Vanessa at 55 rather than @julie at 56 (and yes I know I’m way late to this particular party) — voluntarily exempting oneself and one’s partner from the wedding will reduce the angst all around, but it still reinforces the idea that the people who “deserve” in some sense to be excluded are the people who haven’t actually done anything wrong. Skipping the wedding in favor of short-term harmony only reinforces the idea of having a second-class status within the family. If it were me and my partner in that situation, I don’t think offering to skip and host a “just for us” event later on would be terribly palatable, particularly if nobody has actually asked me to do so.

  • Sarah the Elder says:

    Also a late arrival, agreeing with MattPatt and Vanessa.

    To exclude Homophobes Suck and his partner from Niece’s wedding would be to accommodate/enable the years (!) of tantrums by Father and Brother. Frankly, if Father and Brother can’t refrain from acting out at the wedding, that should reflect badly on them, not anyone else.

    Miss Manners says it best in a q-and-a from “Miss Manners’ Guide to the Turn of the Millennium”:

    Dear Miss Manners: My daughter would like to invite to her wedding a friend, who happens to be homosexual, and his live-in friend. But his parents, who do not condone his lifestyle, will also attend the wedding, and I am concerned that tension may result and spoil the atmosphere. Am I wrong to suggest that my daughter invite her friend without his partner?

    Gentle Reader: Let us certainly hope that no guests consider your daughter’s wedding to be a proper arena for either condoning or condemning anyone’s living arrangements. It is not nice for people to speculate on the bridal couple’s private behavior, much less the wedding guests’. Surely the gentleman’s parents have other occasions for expressing their attitude. Anyone who feels in danger of spoiling the wedding should decline the invitation. In any case, the hosts should assume that the guests will behave themselves. If your daughter otherwise sees this gentleman and his partner as a social couple, she should treat them as one on this occasion.

  • […] most of my journals in a box but the rest are in a bookcase. Coincidentally enough, I just saw an article about what to do with one’s journals in the future. I’m never sure what to do with my […]

  • Felis D says:

    Homophobe: I just came back recently from my cousin’s wedding, where she invited one of her cousins (unrelated to me) and his girlfriend. He is Chinese; his girlfriend is Sri Lankan, and both his family and hers have been adamantly refusing to acknowledge the existence of the relationship for the past 5 (!!!) years. My cousin got a lot of flak from her family for inviting her cousin’s girlfriend, but she stood her ground and told them all to lump it if they didn’t like it.

    Then, she arranged the table seatings so that all the younger generation guests and the older generation guests sat completely apart from each other at the reception. End result, none of the antagonistic parties had to deal with each other at the reception without going out of their way to to so (and no one wanted to look like that much of a douche to cause trouble). My cousin’s cousin and his girlfriend could enjoy everything in peace, and the older generation of my cousin’s family didn’t have to see them.

    Hopefully, the niece will be able to work stand up to her family that well, and arrange things in a similar way. And hopefully, the brother and the dad will man up and let the niece have her wedding day in peace if you and your partner do decide to go.

  • Sandman says:

    @Agreed: Yet another late arrival, chiming in with Vanessa, MattPatt and Sarah the Elder. Miss Manners is a good enough authority for me. Certainly you may be guided by Niece’s wishes, but I think you should expect an invitation, and if Brother and Dad can’t see their way to behaving like functioning adults for the duration of Niece’s wedding, you will have done no harm to Niece.

    In other news, “Smurfwad.” Hee.

  • HomophobesSuck says:

    Update, for anyone who is interested. The wedding isn’t for almost another year, but we saw Niece recently. I took her aside and quietly told her that I would absolutely understand if she couldn’t invite me, or if she had to take back the invitation later on. She looked me dead in the eye and said, “No, you’re invited. [Fiance] and I have discussed it and we are inviting who we want to invite, and if people have a problem with that, maybe they should stay home.” Ok, message received!

    So, barring anything changing between now and next year (and I don’t think it will) I am going and let the chips fall where they may. I’ll keep my distance from Father and Brother if possible, and make civil conversation if I must, and if they want to act a fool or boycott the ceremony, that’s their loss.

  • HomophobesSuck says:

    I forgot to say, thanks to everyone for the advice, perspectives, and those who shared similar stories. It helped a lot.

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